 How do you actually pronounce Tir Tairngire? |
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 Dec 22 2003, 05:01 PM
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I'm amazed by the fact that nobody ever started any discussion on this topic.
Not that I use Tir for the first time in my campaign, but I finally had to ask. My version is "Tir Te:rngir" (e: being long "e", like "ai" in French), and I'm using hard "r", not like in English. |
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Dec 22 2003, 05:04 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Teer Tear-in-jir/Teer Tear-in-gire
Depends on what mood I'm in or something. I'm pretty sure one of them is correct, in terms of the myths of the Celts. |
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Dec 22 2003, 05:08 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
There's several different ways to pronounce it depending on what dialect you want to use, but two of the most popular ways are "Tear Tan-Gear" and "Tear Tearn-Geer-Ay."
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Dec 22 2003, 05:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
"teer tur-anj"
Yes, I know it's wildly out of sync with the real word. I never bothered to look at it closely before... |
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Dec 22 2003, 05:14 PM
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Can you quote any source material (not nessecarily SR), linguistic stuff etc.?
So that's in Irish, right? I always thought it's in Sperethiel. |
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Dec 22 2003, 05:17 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yes, both it and Tir na n'Og are "real" places from Celtic/Irish mythology.
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Dec 22 2003, 05:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
First of all, THANK YOU for asking this question... been bugging me since I satrted playing this $#&@# game. :grr:
Personally, I always pronounced the "g" as a hard "g," as in girl, grip, gale, gallop, etc. It never even occured to me to try a soft "g" but I think that sounds even better. |
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Dec 22 2003, 05:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 985 |
Doctor Funkenstein: Where do you have this knowledge from?
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Dec 22 2003, 05:31 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
An Irish grandmother and growing up hearing stories about it all the time?
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Dec 22 2003, 05:35 PM
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That sounds credible. :) Thanks, it was no flame intended.
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Dec 22 2003, 05:35 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
I'll back Dr. Funk. Though I've only heard of Tir na n'Og.
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Dec 22 2003, 05:38 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Both are in the mythology. If you Google it, I'm sure you'll get plenty of hits.
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Dec 22 2003, 05:40 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
The good Doctor is correct.
Tec'nic'ly, you would put this under "Gaelic-Sperethiel." The thing is, as gone into in much greater detail by Arcanum V and the like in the Old FOrums, Sperethiel is equal parts "that sounds cool" and Gaelic. |
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Dec 22 2003, 07:34 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
in game I now take the easy way out one's Tir Egg Nog the other is Tir Tangerine, but I mock the elven homelands.
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Dec 22 2003, 07:37 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Technically, I mentioned the relation to Celtic mythology first, but who's counting, neh? :D
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Dec 22 2003, 07:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
I always kinda pronounced Tir Tairngire as "Elf Naziland" after I came up with a defensible conspiracy theory blaming Immortal Elves for the disintegration of the US (I figure they played both sides of the Great Ghost Dance), but I might be a bit biased, so my pronounciation may be non-standard. ;) |
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Dec 22 2003, 08:09 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
Teer Teh-urn-gyre.
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Dec 22 2003, 08:19 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
"Ehranland"
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Dec 22 2003, 08:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 344 Joined: 28-July 03 Member No.: 5,133 |
Pronounced: Elfie-land
Sunday. |
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Dec 22 2003, 09:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
"Teer Tan-ger-rine". Like the fruit. I can't prounounce the fucker. Bastard elves.
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Dec 22 2003, 10:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
'Tcheer Thaernkir' (th as in 'thick', hard 'r') closest approx. from gaelic dictionary and pronounciation guides.
'Tcheer na-nok' or 'Tcheer na-en-ok' for Tir na-n'Og. 'Tcheeachtaere' for Teachdaire. Note that these are all approximates from actual gaelic. I'm no expert though :elims: |
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Dec 22 2003, 10:23 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
I don't know of a single instance where a G is sounded as a K. The only time that sound comes up that I know of is with CH, as in "Loch," or CHD, which sounds sort of like "chick" without the I. I also have no clue how you're turning T into TCH. That sound usually only comes up with the letter D, and usually only when it's used at the end of a word.
Tir na n'Og is usually pronounced "Tear na Nogue" with a hard O and soft G as in "rogue." |
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Dec 22 2003, 10:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I have seen variations of Tir na nOg spelled as Tir na noc and the like. I'm afraid I know nothing of gaelic to confirm if this is an actual representation of how it's supposed to sound, however.
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Dec 22 2003, 11:18 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I'm beginning to think an introductory course to phonemic (and phonetic) transcription should be compulsory to everyone...
When I try to sound American, I pronounce Tir Tairngire as /tir tErngaIr/ Where /i/ is the tense "ee" sound, as in <city> /E/ is like the first <e> in <member> /aI/ is the diphthong found in <knife> <ripe> <site> [Edit]Oops, "gyre" ain't pronounced anything like I thought it was! :D Better think of <gire> as <fire> with a <g>... That gives us: Tear(liquid coming from an eye) Tear(to rip something)n-gire The transcription remains the same, unless you are British, in which case it'd be /ti& te&ngaI&/ Where /e/ is like the first <e> in a british <member> /aI&/ is the triphthong found in <fire> <dire> etc. /i&/ and /e&/ are centring diphthongs, I have no idea where you'd find one in British English, if they even exist... Bloody non-rhotic buggers. :P[/Edit] This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Dec 22 2003, 11:32 PM |
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Dec 23 2003, 03:27 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 3-April 03 Member No.: 4,370 |
my group and i have always pronounced it teer tearnjeer
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