 Shadowrun pop fiction, Your choice of SR immortalization |
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 Dec 22 2003, 10:25 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813  |
I was thinking about this earlier today...
It would be cool to see a major hollywood production or somesuch built around new or existing SR fiction IMO, so long as it doesn't turn out to be another Johnny Mnemonic or D&D. |
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Dec 22 2003, 10:34 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,632 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Portland Oregon, USA Member No.: 1,304 |
I'd love to see 2XS done as a movie.
Screenplay by Tarantino Directed by Ridley Scott Harrison Ford as Dirk or course. |
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Dec 22 2003, 10:44 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I want more than one choice!
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Dec 22 2003, 10:49 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I think an anime series would be best because I think they could do it justice better as a cartoon. With a cartoon people wouldn't have all the misconceptions of the premiss behind the show.
A tv show (mainly a network show in america) would be to mellow for my style of play and it would be hampered to much by budgets, or look really corny. Not to mention I don't thing main stream populace would get it, it would be totally changed to fix the taste of the populace. Movies butcher things to much though it would be cool to see it as a movie like x-files did with the tv show, you know set the tone with the show and then make a movie so the director doesn't take the show off on his "vision" of how the movie should be. If it was done like a greatly ran game it would be cool but I see to many people thinking it is another Oceans 11 or Johnny mnemonic. Books can always be written and I have a lot of other things to do other then read fiction that is why I haven't read any of the existing books. Quality writters is in the eye of the beholder. Sure some are a lot more talented then others but if it is a bad movie I will only waste 2 hours of my life and probably be entertained anyway either yelling at the screen or joking with friends about the bad acting. If I read a book I will have wasted considerably more time, constently thnking maybe it will get better next chapter, to be sorly dissapointed. |
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Dec 22 2003, 10:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
@Fortune : What exactly do you mean? There ARE six options to the poll, you know :P
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Dec 22 2003, 11:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 16-April 02 From: DC Member No.: 2,605 |
I think shadowrun could make a great anime series. Maybe a cartoon like they did with X-men years back. It would make a good movie, if done right would be the perfect caper movie. Then again there's always the risk of it not turning out well. At least with a cartoon there will be more then one episode. That way if one sucks, not a big deal...the rest will make up for it.
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Dec 22 2003, 11:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
its can't be a hollywood movie... Hollywood inevitably shoves the shit stick up the ass of everything that they try to do. To truly have a good SR movie it would have to be an independant film unspoiled by the touch of Hollywood. Heres how i see it.
Director: John Woo Starring: Ron Pearlman as: The orc Merc... No make up he already looks like an orc Kate Beckinsale: Female Gun fighter ... hotter than hell (see Underwolrd) Orlando Bloom: Ass kickin elf decker... Take Legolas Give him a gun, a deck, and a trenchcoat Nick Cage: Rigger... he is the wheelman Eliza Dushku: Female combat Mage... 'Nuff said johnny Depp: Fast talking face-man... See once upon a time in mexico or Pirate of the caribbean Michael Clark Duncan: Troll Heavy weapons/Brawler OK so theres the "good" guys. Now we just need a run and a main "bad" guy |
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Dec 22 2003, 11:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
OK, so we've got John Woo, Orlando Bloom, Johnny Depp... "unspoiled by the touch of Hollywood", I think not ;)
I agree with you on Kate Beckinsale though. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :D |
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Dec 22 2003, 11:17 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Hugo Weaving or Samuel L. Jackson as Mr. Johnson
Johnathan Frakes or Max Von Sydow as Damien Knight Malcolm McDowell as Ehran the Scribe Kiefer Sutherland as a Twisted Physical Adept Danny Devito or Joe Pesci as a Ronin Dwarf Samurai Omar Epps as a Ganster Bob Hoskins as an Ogre Detective Morgan Freeman as the Evil Mage Matthew Lillard as the Psychotic Decker |
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Dec 22 2003, 11:29 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
Sorry Ancient apparently you misunderstood. The actors are fine its not their fault that studio heads come up with steaming pile of shit scripts. The script and on set consultation should be by fans of SR. Thats what i meant by untouched by hollywood. Cause come on who's gonna go see a movie with no one in it?
People that know exactlly what is happening what things should look like and some one who has played the game. Thats who should has the say so on everything in the film not some hollywood desk money. Thats the something that the D&D movie lacked...poor Jeremy irons wonder how they suckered him i not doing that horrible work. At the end when he's going crazy and rambling incoherently, that wasn't acting the shit factor of the movie finally broke him down mentally causing irrevocable damage to his cerebral cortex. Just take the feeling of how that movie kicked your brain in the hour and some change that you had to watch it, Multiply that by about 15 million times and thats exactlly what happened to Mr. Irons. |
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Dec 22 2003, 11:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
I'm sorry ancient but i'm gonna have to disaggree on the mathew Lillard thing. He's not an actor he don't belong in a good moive, he should stick to crap like Scooby Doo.
If you have Ehran then you also need: Jack Nicholson as Halequin... course we'd have to go back in time when he was a bit younger looking. He was an awesome Joker in the first Batman I think he could pull of a pretty ass kickin Harely. Robert Duvall would be another good canidate for a johnson/fixer And we'd have to come up with a ggod part for the man Chris Walken he'd be a way better evil mage, everyone knows Freeman is only good as a cop/detective And Sam Jackson would have to be a Physical Adept John frakes would be an Awesome Damien Knight in fact thats how I always pictured him looking. |
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Dec 23 2003, 12:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
I think a bunch of completely unrelated animes. All Shadowrun, totally different characters in each. Or a series, whatever, this is why I'm not going to Hollywood.
I think a TV show, even if it did maintain the premise, would look horribly corny unless it was a huge budget...and well...I don't know, I don't like teevee. Movie woud be cool, but I want more! |
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Dec 23 2003, 01:44 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yes there are, but how exactly would one go about choosing two (or more) of them? I want a movie...and novels...and cartoons...and a t.v. show...and... :) |
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Dec 23 2003, 06:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Denver CO, USA Member No.: 112 |
In reality, I'd probably prefer they left it alone. Anything done mainstream would most likely do a really terrible job and ruin the shadowrun concept for the general public (remember the "Dungeons and Dragons" movie debacle?).
However, I voted TV series. If you got the right producers, writers, production crew and staff it could be done really, really well. Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy, Angel and Firefly) comes immediately to mind, he's probably the only person I'd trust with the project (incidently I wouldn't trust FanPro or WizKids with it). There's too much background to cover for a movie, you don't have enough time to explain the world the movie takes place in and then still have a reasonable plot and scrip, so a movie wouldn't work well. Shadowrun being within the fantasy genre already struggles with the concept of suspention of disbelief. Being a cartoon or anime moves it more firmly into fantasy in the minds of the viewers, it also limits viewership to fans of cartoons or anime. I wouldn't suggest anime for that reason. Aside from that anime tends to be over-the-top action, and shadowrun should be gritty. I don't think anime could capture the feel of the shadowrun universe. I'm pretty well done with Shadowrun novels. The problem is that they keep getting bigger and bigger. You can't really write about shadowruns anymore, it's all Earth-shattering events. Aside from that, a novel (no matter who wrote it) about shadowrun wouldn't draw much in the way of mainstream fans. A television series would be difficult, you'd need the right network, the right production team. But you could slowely develope the world over the course of the first season. Realistically, the show probably wouldn't make it, but if done properly, it could capture the feel of the game world, explain the history, and build and keep a fan base over a period of time. It's a long shot, but the best chance to get anything done. |
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Dec 23 2003, 06:59 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
Basically, when things go mainstream. they start sucking. Bad.
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Dec 23 2003, 08:12 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Not so. LOTR wasn't mainstream until now. And look how good it is. What you need is the right director who is himself an SR fan and knows the feel of the SR universe, otherwise forget it. Batman went to crap, so did D & D but surprisingly I felt that the X-men movies were well done. |
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Dec 23 2003, 08:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
What about....twinkies? They're mainstream, and tasty as sin!
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Dec 23 2003, 10:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
Echo that. With the combination of good script writing AND good directing/acting and the right amount of hype, SR could easily become a blockbuster movie. The problem is (as stated earlier) that there's just too much material to cram into say, 2 hours of play. In the case of LOTR they got around this by splitting it up into a trilogy as is increasingly more common these days (LOTR, Matrix, Kill Bill...) BUT... everybody (well not everybody, but lots of people know *of* LOTR without having read the books) knows that the movies are based on a series of books - too much material to film in one go - and so the cutting up of the story as a whole is accepted. This probably won't be the case for Shadowrun, where far less people know of the original material (whether sourcebooks or novels). The people producing a SR feature, like the Wachowski brothers when they did the first Matrix, would depend on the success of the first episode to finish the story in later releases. If the first Matrix sucked, nobody would have been interested in Reloaded or Revolutions. It would be sad to see this being the case with a movie series based on SR material. |
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Dec 23 2003, 10:40 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
OK you talked me into ti I'll call my friend Steve at SKG and get the ball rolling. I think I can do a helluva job. Who wants to be in it? :D
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Dec 23 2003, 10:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
Apply for your position as an extra now! :P
[credits] Enraged Dzoo-noo-qua #3 : Matrix Monkey [/credits] |
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Dec 23 2003, 10:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,213 Joined: 10-March 02 From: Back from the abyss. Member No.: 2,316 |
I think I'll have to pull a Hitchcock (cameod in all his films). I'll be the non-descript Orc. I can save some money on make-up, I am already big, ugly, shaggy, and pissed looking. :D And with my lifestyle I'll be dead by 40.
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Dec 23 2003, 11:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 402 Joined: 23-April 03 From: London, UK Member No.: 4,491 |
I've checked SR3, and I think you're right, Frag-o Delux
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Dec 23 2003, 11:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 21-July 03 From: the Worcester Barrens Member No.: 4,997 |
the D&D movie.
or more relevantly: Johnny Mnemonic. i'd wager that LotR has a wider audience than Toturi is suggesting. remember, the Hobbit was a sleeper hit... for decades! LotR may not have been "mainstream" until the movie form, but i don't think it was too far off, at least among those who read for leisure. |
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Dec 23 2003, 01:12 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,546 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
Maybe I'm just being silly here... Since when was anime main stream? I mean, at least in the U.S., it has a pretty paltry reputation among your average Joes.
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Dec 23 2003, 01:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
Anime is used as a term for cartoons in general here, so that includes types like the old X-men cartoons and such.
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