Can a Natural Weapon be enchanted as a Weapon Focus?, Minotaurs and the Magic Gore! Options

[HappyDaze]

Like the title says, can a creature's Natural Weapon be made into a Weapon Focus?

[FlashbackJon]

Hmm. Sounds like a job for poachers.

[Tarantula]

I'd say no, just like you can't enchant your hand into a power focus.

[HappyDaze]

A hand is not a Natural Weapon. However, I've seen that people do allow a cybernetic Spur to be enchanted, so why not Goring Horns?

[Ancient History]

If it's living, which includes a fang, tusk, horn, stinger, claw, or "wookie club" then no, you can't enchant it. Cyberweapons are enchanted first and then implanted.

[BRodda]

Like the title says, can a creature's Natural Weapon be made into a Weapon Focus?

I'd say no, but I would allow a "cap" to be placed on it. I had a game I played in where a troll "infected" hunter had silver caps that were epoxyed over his horns.

[HappyDaze]

So if a Minotaur gets his natural horns hacked off he can get them replaced with enchanted replacements?

[Wesley Street]

I'm going to say no as well. Though a creature may have a Natural Weapon it's a part of its living body. Foci (unless I misremember something) are inanimate or dead objects.

A rabbit's foot? Focus. A living rabbit? Not a focus.

[FlashbackJon]

So if a Minotaur gets his natural horns hacked off he can get them replaced with enchanted replacements?

Well, technically it sounds like ANYONE can get enchanted horns installed:

If it's living, which includes a fang, tusk, horn, stinger, claw, or "wookie club" then no, you can't enchant it. Cyberweapons are enchanted first and then implanted.

...if they pay the Essence for it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Dumori]

so you couldn't cap your horns with something dead an use that as a focus?

[HappyDaze]

so you couldn't cap your horns with something dead an use that as a focus?

It would make sense that you could - if you can enchant brass knuckes or a cestus. Which, AFAICT, you can.

[Wesley Street]

so you couldn't cap your horns with something dead an use that as a focus?

I believe you can. But it's what encases the horn that's the focus, not the horn itself.

[Ryu]

So if a Minotaur gets his natural horns hacked off he can get them replaced with enchanted replacements?

Yes, by paying for horn implants.

[darthmord]

Which is rather odd in some respects as your fingernails, hair, etc are not alive. Well, the business parts of them aren't.

Those horns? Not alive. The roots of them are but the pointy end that is useful for goring someone, not alive.

Of course, there is the question of it being contained within / being an integral part of your aura. That might be a problem.

[Wesley Street]

Well, technically, the outer layer of your skin isn't alive either. But you can't turn your fist into a Weapon Focus.

[Blade Of The Ris...]

Hardliner Gloves r designed to boost the damage u do with ur bare hands, and they come under the Exotic Weapon cathegory. Nevertheless when u equip them u still use ur Unarmed Combat skill (which governs the use of Natural Weapons ).
But they're a weapon, so u can make them into a focus.

So get an armorer to build a set of casing for ur horns, and by the same logic turn them into a focus.

p.s. Not trying to loophole the rules there, but i can't see why u couldn't.


Edited.

[Wesley Street]

The glove is the Focus, not the actual hand in it. That's all I'm sayin'... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Blade Of The Ris...]

The glove is the Focus, not the actual hand in it. That's all I'm sayin'... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So ?

[Tarantula]

Hardliner Gloves r designed to boost the damage u do with ur bare hands, and they come under the Exotic Weapon cathegory. Nevertheless when u equip them u still use ur Unarmed Combat skill (which governs the use of Natural Weapons ).
But they're a weapon, so u can make them into a focus.

So get an armorer to build a set of casing for ur horns, and by the same logic turn them into a focus.

p.s. Not trying to loophole the rules there, but i can't see why u couldn't.


Edited.

And if you got custom weapons built for your horns/feet/claws/whatever then you're not attacking with your natural weapon, you're attacking with your custom weapon on top of it.

[Wesley Street]

So ?

Forget it.

[Blade Of The Ris...]

Forget it.

Shame, i'd be interested in ur feedback (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Tarantula]

Shame, i'd be interested in ur feedback (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I'm pretty sure it was the same, then you're not attacking with your hand, you're attacking with your glove.

[Ol' Scratch]

You have the same options you do for augmenting any other form of unarmed damage you naturally do (fists, feet, horns, claws; all the same category). That means either using something like the adept power of Killing Hands or creating a focus for a weapon like Shock Gloves or Horn Implants. It's not complicated. At all.

[Blade Of The Ris...]

True, i don't denie the fact that ur attaking with ur gloves now, but u still using ur Unarmed Combat yes ? So u can fight with natural weapons and benefit from weapon focus at the same time, yes ?
It is clear that u can't make ur natural weapon into a focus, but i think there is a way around it, the example of the gloves makes sense to me.

Am i wrong or what ?

[Tarantula]

True, i don't denie this, but u still using ur Unarmed Combat yes ? So u can fight with natural weapons and benefit from weapon focus at the same time, yes ?
It is clear that u can't make ur natural weapon into a focus, but i think there is a way around it, the example of the gloves makes sense to me.

Am i wrong or what ?

Just because you're using unarmed combat doesn't mean you aren't attacking with a specific weapon.

Normal metahumans using unarmed combat get str/2 Stun for damage

Critters with natural weapons can choose to attack with the natural weapons for the listed damage.

Or sapients with natural weapons and an equipped weapon could choose to attack with their equipped weapon for its damage (which could be a focus).

Just because it still uses "unarmed combat" doesn't mean you attack with everything together. The same as you use a swords damage code because you attack with it instead of your elbow, you would use the enchanted focus' code instead of your natural weapon if you wanted.