 Earthdawn races poll, Because you can never have enough flames. |
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 Oct 30 2008, 01:33 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313  |
I'm probably way off topic with with this one (still waiting patiently for GC hardcopy preorder so can join in on the proper thread), but a friend happened to come up with several boxes of old gaming stuff I thought lost forever. And in one of those boxes a few of my Earthdawn books. Just got me wondering again why not? Certainly ways to explain an early awakening, been done before with the "enemy" and I was never a huge fan of surge or YotC could had added them then instead of trying to fake em with surge (when I say faked em, I mean me not the devs). After seeing the "windling" show up in first paranormal critters of Europe book I always expected to see the others eventually. Maybe just wishful thinking but from my perspective I much rather would have made up a T'Skrang Pc instead of a Centaur or Naga.
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Oct 30 2008, 01:35 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
Biased choices. Please reword them so that people who like "other games" but don't want T'Skrang in SR have a valid answer.
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Oct 30 2008, 01:37 PM
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Cybernetic Blood Mage Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 |
I like the wording myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)
*EDIT* Before the change that is... |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:39 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Sorry about that final choice has been edited to sound less negative towards those who might dislike the idea. It was a bit of bias on my part to be a little too negative before seeing any replies. Hope it can reflect a proper choice now.
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Oct 30 2008, 01:42 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
QUOTE (Ravor @ Oct 30 2008, 08:37 AM)  I like the wording myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) *EDIT* Before the change that is... Original phrase mentioning the "hate" of IE's and crossover info was a direct response for those who have made it rather clear on dumpshock there dislike for that setting and crossovers stuff in general. I caved and removed/edited that choice because in all honesty not everyone has read or has an opinion on that thread so thanks to Fuchs for making me think twice and be a little more level headed. I did like the wording though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:43 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
As one of my players put it: "If I want to play D&D, I play D&D. I don't want to play D&D in SR". (We play a weekly D&D and a weekly SR campaign together.)
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Oct 30 2008, 01:47 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
i voted why the hell not . .
if it's the natural order of appearance, then they will reappear sooner or later anyway obsidimen ould probably get me to play SR4 or 5 *snickers* |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:48 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
No!
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Oct 30 2008, 01:54 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
SR is already a crossover game. Tech and Sorcery instead of Swords and Sorcery if you will. If play style demands it certainly play down the fantasy setting or try out one of the great old pure cyberpunk games that started the genre. But if you came to SR in the beginning due to its mix of fantasy and tech, you certainly don't see any reason to tame down either. I don't see adding a few more races that by all accounts belong to the canon history of and will arrive eventually in the cycle causeing the game to tilt any more in the "sword" direction. You can play a troll, centaur or make up big bird or elephant man using surge but playing a canon race makes it D&D, that I don't really understand.
Edit: Fixed my double "nn's" spasm in canon. |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:55 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,851 Joined: 15-February 08 From: Indianapolis Member No.: 15,686 |
"Canon."
xoxoxoxo, Wes the Pedant |
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Oct 30 2008, 01:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
QUOTE (Fortune @ Oct 30 2008, 08:48 AM) No! No to the post or no to 5th edition. hehe |
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Oct 30 2008, 02:01 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
If we're talking canon history, we 'lost' a couple of Races during the previous Down Cycle. I have no problem writing off those two Races during the most recent one.
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Oct 30 2008, 02:04 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
No to T'Skrang and Obsidimen!
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Oct 30 2008, 02:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
I can see the argument for not wanting them I guess its just the addition of the windling and some of silliness you can make with surge has me wistfully wishing for the others that "feel" like a better fit for me personally.
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Oct 30 2008, 02:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
T'skrang and Obsidimen are not SR canon races, never were. Besides, anyone wanting to play a lizard can easily have bodymods to achieve the look, and for those wishing to play obsidimen, there are free spirits.
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Oct 30 2008, 02:31 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
The past of Shadowrun was never truly explained until after the Earthdawn tie in. Theres was never an alternate past that was replaced by Earthdawns past. So yes it was a canon past that was a few years after release day but then again there was never a "what came before" section in 1st edition to contradict it either. It's like saying we just discovered Atlantis yesterday so it can't possibly have existed prior it's discovery.
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Oct 30 2008, 03:20 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
T'Skrang and Obsidimen never were canon races in SR. No official SR book ever listed them as canon races.
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Oct 30 2008, 03:30 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Why would there be prior to there "awakening". I mean certainly you can ignore all of the allusions to Earthdawn tie ins if you don't like them but for someone who does use the tie ins as given by the creators and developers of the game, I guess I'm am curious as to these races ultimate end.
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Oct 30 2008, 04:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 997 Joined: 20-October 08 Member No.: 16,537 |
Fuchs, you remember Year of the Comet? Weren't there a corporate-shark/japanise-traditionalist/bigot (yeah a true [bip]) that surged into something that in System Failure (or at least I think was there) was described as a giant of rock? Maybe Obsidimen are about to come.
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Oct 30 2008, 04:22 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
IIRC There was a mention of something similar in SoAsia.
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Oct 30 2008, 04:43 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
Basic metatypes are cool. They are integrated in the world in a way that makes them very interesting (prejudices towards metatypes being the same as some of today's prejudices for example).
Metavariants make sense, in a way: if metatypes are folkloric characters, it makes sense that characters from other cultures will appear too. Their integration in the game world isn't too hard since they are just local variants of existing metatypes. But other sapients metacreatures are harder to fully integrate to Shadowrun. I can accept fairies and centaurs in some forest in Europe, for example, but they don't fit in the Sprawls and I don't see how you can have them in numbers in the Sprawl without slipping from a dystopic/cyberpunk with magic tones to "the magic realm of Shadowrun". There's a reason why Shadowrun's ork aren't stupid green humanoid creatures with a taste for killing humans. That's why I have trouble envisioning T'skrang in Shadowrun. |
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Oct 30 2008, 04:50 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I think this deserves me dusting off The Last Liferock short story one of these days.
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Oct 30 2008, 04:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 21-August 08 From: France Member No.: 16,265 |
I don't mind.
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Oct 30 2008, 05:35 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
Please dust. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Oct 30 2008, 07:57 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 997 Joined: 20-October 08 Member No.: 16,537 |
QUOTE (Prime Mover @ Oct 30 2008, 06:35 PM) Please dust. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Can I sneeze? |
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