Coming effects of rising magic levels, What to expect in the next decades of SR timeline Options

[Tachi]

He was fired by every one of the big ten. They all hired him, one after another, and ordered him to kill the CEO of other megacorps. He refused and is now lying in a gutter in the barrens slotting BTLs and touching himself with rats over pictures of Nadja Daviar.

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You are a deeply disturbed individual. No wonder I'm laughing. Those brown nipples must have hypnotized him too.

What about slotting phantom of the opera + rat love'n?
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How come movies aren't that good where I live?

[raggedhalo]

The head of the Black Lodge could teleport, back in '57.

[Hagga]

Isn't the head of the black lodge a free spirit?

[AllTheNothing]

He was fired by every one of the big ten. They all hired him, one after another, and ordered him to kill the CEO of other megacorps. He refused and is now lying in a gutter in the barrens slotting BTLs and touching himself with rats over pictures of Nadja Daviar.

Touching itself with rats......... over pictures of Nadja Daviar?
SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!

[AllTheNothing]

one can speculate that spirits of man is basically ghosts...

get that old body, have a summoned spirit of man inhabit it, presto, resurrection (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

and lets not forget about those pesky shedim...

What life-draining evil spirits with the habit of inhabiting dead bodies have to do with resurrection?

[AllTheNothing]

hmm . . possession is 90% of the law . . does that make shedim lawyers? O.o

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You rule chummer!

[Xiaan]

wouldn't be surprised to see the T'Skrang become a meta-varianat along with Jeckalmen from the previous age of magic, seeing as they have been somewhat touch upon with Class II and III surge qualities, as far as the heavy weight contenders of Barasive returning I just can't see it. The old litterature made illusions that in the 2nd world there were variants that didn't make it over to the fourth age and I see the same thing happening in the sixth. To be completely honest I was rather shocked that the Windlings made a resurgence... I dunno just never thought they would work well into the world. As for the passions I just don't think that they are going by the same names... well at least outside of certain circles in the Tiers and outside of the core setting of Brasaive there were other "passions" that people warshiped, I really don't think they were mutch different than Totems or rather powerful Mentor Spirits to begin with.

[Wanderer]

The old litterature made illusions that in the 2nd world there were variants that didn't make it over to the fourth age and I see the same thing happening in the sixth.

Personally I've always been rather skeptical of such claims as RPG vaporware, as no definite examples or indications of such hypothetical vanished 2nd world races have ever surfaced in published ED material that I'm aware of. Much as the Windling case, which was widely supposed to be such a "lost" race before RC, it seems to me like wishful thinking of people reading what they want to read in vague remarks, who don't want exotic races make their precious cyberpunk street campaign look too fantasy bizarre.

Of course, I freely admit to having a contrary bias myself, since I would not really bother at all with SR without the strong urban fantasy element, and personally I would be much eager to see the obsidimen surafce into the Sixth World eventually.

[Ravor]

OF course if the souls of the dead vaporize into so much Astral "static" as opposed to being wisked off to some metaplanar afterlife at best all an Astral Quest is going to get you is an echo of the person you knew based off your own memories, remember Spirits of Man have never been proven to be "Ghosts", hells for that matter there is no proof that Spirits are not created by the very act of summoning in the first place.

[Stahlkörper]

Im really happy about the pixies/windlings in RC which are my favorite ED race. I hope with rising magic the obsidians will come back, too. But the most important change Id like to see would be more cybermantic magic. That is definitively missing. (Resonance may become some special kind of cybermancy to simplify the rules.)

[Stahlseele]

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You rule chummer!

heh, thanks, i have my moments ^^

First Meet-Up with a new Crew, my character nods at the elf-chracter of one of the other players . . you know the type, arrogant junky high charisma elfen bitch that is good for nothing, only for getting herself and everybody else around her into trouble . . and asked:"Who's she?" when the Mr.Johnson, aka the GM wanted to answer, the Character/player in a most rude manner introduced him/herself as and i quote: "A PROFESSIONAL!" . . there was no time wasted with thinking between brain and mouth and mouth just threw out:"i thought the hookers came AFTER the run?"

[hobgoblin]

I hope with rising magic the obsidians will come back, too.

try page 112 of RC, dermal alteration metagenic quality.

specifically the granite shell.

[Stahlkörper]

try page 112 of RC, dermal alteration metagenic quality.

specifically the granite shell.

Good suggestion but Im still missing the mountain meld. Im afraid theres no such thing in SR yet.

[Tachi]

First Meet-Up with a new Crew, my character nods at the elf-chracter of one of the other players . . you know the type, arrogant junky high charisma elfen bitch that is good for nothing, only for getting herself and everybody else around her into trouble . . and asked:"Who's she?" when the Mr.Johnson, aka the GM wanted to answer, the Character/player in a most rude manner introduced him/herself as and i quote: "A PROFESSIONAL!" . . there was no time wasted with thinking between brain and mouth and mouth just threw out:"i thought the hookers came AFTER the run?"

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If you're not careful you'll end up hanging upside down in Tarislar with electrodes attached to your testicles.

^^There's a joke there, I can see it, but I think I'll leave it for someone else. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Stahlseele]

what elf would waste a good set of testicles?
and i'm mostly playing trolls and combat heavy characters too ^^

[AllTheNothing]

heh, thanks, i have my moments ^^

First Meet-Up with a new Crew, my character nods at the elf-chracter of one of the other players . . you know the type, arrogant junky high charisma elfen bitch that is good for nothing, only for getting herself and everybody else around her into trouble . . and asked:"Who's she?" when the Mr.Johnson, aka the GM wanted to answer, the Character/player in a most rude manner introduced him/herself as and i quote: "A PROFESSIONAL!" . . there was no time wasted with thinking between brain and mouth and mouth just threw out:"i thought the hookers came AFTER the run?"

A character of mine is a chageling elven spellslinger that started with glamour, a charisma of 7, Amnesia, Fashback and a Big Regret qualites, a magic attribute of 6, sorcery group at 4, agility at 6 and firearms group at 3. The very first thing she remebers is the Yakashima lab in which she was used as guinea pig, than she woke in an hospital and tooke the first occasion to escape, just to end up being force to sell hers body by a pimp. When everything turned too much she had a massive psychological break which shattered some mental conditioning that prevented her to use her magic (and returned her some skills she didn't know shw had), resulting in the death of hers pimp, several dead clientes (some immidiatly, other hunted down later) and the start of a life as shadowrunner. If asked the same question she would have responded "Myself" (and thought "I don't know"), but if called a hooker hers reaction could be anything from an angry glare to killing the offender (not immidiatly of course, revenge is better served cold).
All in all it's not the best way to begin a run insulting your own teammates, your life is on the line and teamwork is essential.

[AllTheNothing]

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If you're not careful you'll end up hanging upside down in Tarislar with electrodes attached to your testicles.

^^There's a joke there, I can see it, but I think I'll leave it for someone else. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

You mean the Buzz Kill mini-novel in the BBB?

Also that torture thing is realy opening a very big can of worms, just think about reputation hit and angry enemy just made.

[Stahlseele]

the similarities are quite frightening . . apart from having to REALLY sell her body it's more or less the same story . . including the magic bit later on . .
as for not doing something like that? i'm an assholish character with a certain sense of humor, i play assholish characters with a certain sense of humor.
stay with what you know and all that . . and that character is still about as dangerous as a feather . . specializing in thrown weapons with a strength of 1.
later on learned SMG's on skill 1 and thus even using all kinds of gadgets missed 99% of the time . . and the one time she actually hit anything, the damage
was scaled down to nothing by a simple body roll, without combat pool, due to some armor on the target . . the most dangerous thing about her is the fact
that she thinke she is all that and so much more, tries to flirt her way into freebies in all kinds of bars(yes, even in troll/ork bars) and then tries to get away
when the guy she flirted with for the drink thinks there might be more where that came from . . seriously, you leave her alone in a bar, you as a player go
to the loo, you come back and hear the GM either calling for ini or body roll . .

[Tachi]

You mean the Buzz Kill mini-novel in the BBB?

Actually I was referring to some people considering that type of thing foreplay. I don't remember 'Buzz Kill".

Also that torture thing is realy opening a very big can of worms, just think about reputation hit and angry enemy just made.

Oh come on, I can't piss off people that easily can I? I'm sure my rep is bad enough already that no one will notice. Which enemy? Should I be running?

[AllTheNothing]

the similarities are quite frightening . . apart from having to REALLY sell her body it's more or less the same story . . including the magic bit later on . .
as for not doing something like that? i'm an assholish character with a certain sense of humor, i play assholish characters with a certain sense of humor.
stay with what you know and all that . . and that character is still about as dangerous as a feather . . specializing in thrown weapons with a strength of 1.
later on learned SMG's on skill 1 and thus even using all kinds of gadgets missed 99% of the time . . and the one time she actually hit anything, the damage
was scaled down to nothing by a simple body roll, without combat pool, due to some armor on the target . . the most dangerous thing about her is the fact
that she thinke she is all that and so much more, tries to flirt her way into freebies in all kinds of bars(yes, even in troll/ork bars) and then tries to get away
when the guy she flirted with for the drink thinks there might be more where that came from . . seriously, you leave her alone in a bar, you as a player go
to the loo, you come back and hear the GM either calling for ini or body roll . .

Your elvent bitch is an idiot, how can she survive in the shadows? It's the kind of character that kills the teammates sooner than later. Why should anyone want her in the team?
And the similarities end with being elves.
My character run the shadows for survival and attempting to regain a certain degree of balance.
She tendes to be a loner, and in men she looks for comprension as a (meta)human, not carnal desire (she hates to be considered just an erotic toy). For her sexual intercurse should be sharing the bodies with persons (only males) that she respectes as a part of a relationship, she would never flirt hers way into anything unless absolutely necessary. And she would open with an hail of stunbolt to soften the target and a finish the job a Predator round (6 agility + 3 pistols + 2 smartlink = 11dp) in the braincase, or she could wait until the offender needes an heal spell and remind him that she's an hooker not an healer (if she doesn't need him alive, survival comes before revenge); aganst a samurai she would use poison instead of direct confrontation.
Don't mess with my bich!

[The Jopp]

I actually hope that they will reinstate the old ED races. We now have the Pixie/Windling as a playable race and I hope we get to se the T'Skrang and Obsidimen.

They would definitely be non-metahuman sentients and have the uneducated ability as they have not been integrated into societys and are either rare tribes or that a few have gained legitimacy as members of a nation (much like pixies).

A quick idea from Runners Companion (Have no idea what the points should be).

Obsidimen
Height: As Troll
Weight: As Giant (Heavy Mass)
Attributes: As Giant (Very Strong and massive)
Reach: +1
Dermal Alteration: Granite Shell
Thermographic Vision, Ogre Stomach, Magneto Sense, Extravagant Eyes (Looks like precious stones), Slow Healer (Stone mends slowly)

T'Skrang
Height: As Human
Weight: As Human
Attributes: As Human
Reach (Tail): +1
Gills, Beak, Prehensile Tail, Underwater Vision, Scales, Striking Skin Pigmentation.
Can use the exotic skill: Tailfighting or count as an extra arm with a hand weapon if holding something.

Just an idea.

[AllTheNothing]

Actually I was referring to some people considering that type of thing foreplay. I don't remember 'Buzz Kill".

I was refering to the mini-strory at the beginning of the BBB, the one in which the scarriest words are "It will be easy". I was thinking about the "booze and hookers" line.

Oh come on, I can't piss off people that easily can I? I'm sure my rep is bad enough already that no one will notice. Which enemy? Should I be running?

You're still giving someone a good reason to geek you, You'd better just killing him off. Knowing that nobody will ever want to work with you again.

[Tachi]

the similarities are quite frightening . . apart from having to REALLY sell her body it's more or less the same story . . including the magic bit later on . .
as for not doing something like that? i'm an assholish character with a certain sense of humor, i play assholish characters with a certain sense of humor.
stay with what you know and all that . . and that character is still about as dangerous as a feather . . specializing in thrown weapons with a strength of 1.
later on learned SMG's on skill 1 and thus even using all kinds of gadgets missed 99% of the time . . and the one time she actually hit anything, the damage
was scaled down to nothing by a simple body roll, without combat pool, due to some armor on the target . . the most dangerous thing about her is the fact
that she thinke she is all that and so much more, tries to flirt her way into freebies in all kinds of bars(yes, even in troll/ork bars) and then tries to get away
when the guy she flirted with for the drink thinks there might be more where that came from . . seriously, you leave her alone in a bar, you as a player go
to the loo, you come back and hear the GM either calling for ini or body roll . .

That's not just stupid, that's felony-stupid. You should try to get her arrested (the character not the player), then claim it was self-defense. Just kidding, that'd be to cruel of a punishment for a newb. If she was a veteran player on the other hand....

[The Jopp]

Heck even in the geneware section of augmentation they pretty much say that despite all the age prevention advances that have been made, when the brain wants to die, it dies and there isn't anything you can do about it.

Still, this makes immortality something viable as long as the spirit/brain wants to live. With leonization and gene therapy you could live for a long time, and elves even more so.

People determined to live on could be rather frightening given teh current state of SR tech, add a few hundred years to that...

[Mystweaver]

We have been playing 3rd edition for years and don't play 4th. Before 4th was released though, we had already intruduced Drakes, T'skrang, Windlings and Obsidimen into our campaign world. We have been key in preventing the attempts of a horror to enter the physical plane as well as all sorts of vague but Earthdawn related events.

I agree RAW casting in ED is exactly the way spells are cast in SR and that in ED the background count was so humungous it can easily have deadly reprocussions to the caster.

We have also experienced as player characters astral rips when our mages have been battling others with high force spells. One incident in particular occurred when two of our casters engaged Lonestar. One defended the other (with shielding and such) while he cast many offensive spells. This was against 6 Lonestar mages who were spamming the crap out of him (but not getting anywhere because of the high defences). Such as it was, through many high force (6-(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) spells being cast on a single target, it created an astral rift and a magma elemental popped through. Lonestar thought this was under the control of our mage. We fled at this point and the magma elemental proceeded to rip apart the Lonestar mages in its rampage.

And this leads onto these extra things too... Ice, Magma, Storm and all sorts of other "types" of elementals. Perhaps not neccessarily related to ED, but as mana rises, these new appearences occur.

Also, don't forget about any unopened Kaerns. Perhaps they have been locked until a certain mana point where the inhabitants who have locked themselves away since the ebb of magic, they now come out to the world, perhaps in secret.

Many possibilities.


One thing our GM has never allowed, nor will he ever allow is Resurrection or Space/Time manipulation.
This is for good reason too. As mentioned before, Teleportation makes things too easy, simple as.... and resurrection takes the fear factor out of Shadowrun.

One of the greatest things about games without resurrection is that you know that if you are in trouble, you had better run because if you die, thats it. Game over, start a new character... all that effort gone.

When Im playing my 751 karma character, I know when to run. If I had resurrection at my beck-and-call, I think it would not be half as much fun.

A good example is DnD. There I am with my 12th lvl character. Oh no, look some hard ass badguys that can probably kill me and a few others in my party. But nevermind, we will charge, attack and kill because we know, that as long as one of us survives, we can all get raised.... aka no fear factor!