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post Nov 24 2008, 12:45 AM
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I was at the range yesterday when I had an accident with a gun that at the momment struck me as a really bad SR glitch. It was a .25 barretta. I must have had some bad ammo because the 3rd shot just went 'pfff' and had lots of msoke around the breach. The bullet had fired but without enough power to really 'shoot' The slug was only half way down the barrel then got stuck.

It took only a minute to loosen it up with the right tool but I realized that on a run this would pretty much put your gun out of action and probably put you out of action.

I wonder if anyone else had 'glitches' occure that could translate to SR.
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post Nov 24 2008, 12:59 AM
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I had an FN C1 (years ago in Canadian military) jam open with an empty casing stuck during the eject cycle. It took less time and effort to fix than your problem, but the weapon was out of action for at least a couple of "Combat Turns"

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post Nov 24 2008, 01:19 AM
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Good catch. It seems that most people don't figure out that they had a squib load, so they then fire the next round. Then, after the hospital releases them, they go buy a new gun.
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post Nov 24 2008, 01:26 AM
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Such incidents are one of the reasons that carrying a second weapon into combat is usually a good idea.
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post Nov 24 2008, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 23 2008, 06:19 PM) *
Good catch. It seems that most people don't figure out that they had a squib load, so they then fire the next round. Then, after the hospital releases them, they go buy a new gun.


Thanks, but the mechanism was jammed in a way that precluded further firing, so it really wasn't good perception on my part.

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post Nov 24 2008, 03:05 AM
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Peter,

I think he was referring to Snow Fox's incident, which was the textbook definition of a squib load. Yours sounds more like a common stovepipe jam, or failure to eject. Both are a problem in a combat situation, but Snow Fox's had the potential for serious physical injury had she fired another shot.

Of course, getting shot because your gun jammed in the middle of a firefight could also be considered "serious physical injury"... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead.gif)

Snow Fox,

Any idea what happened? Did you see unburnt gunpowder when you disassembled it, or perhaps no powder at all? Or did the brass case rupture, and thereby not seal the chamber completely? The most common squib is when the primer has just enough power to propel the bullet into the barrel, with either no powder in the case or the powder failing to ignite.

I'm always curious about different squibs, as I've been fortunate enough to survive a catastrophic failure with a rifle cartridge... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)
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post Nov 24 2008, 04:22 AM
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QUOTE (Shrapnel @ Nov 23 2008, 08:05 PM) *
Peter,

I think he was referring to Snow Fox's incident, which was the textbook definition of a squib load. Yours sounds more like a common stovepipe jam, or failure to eject.

Yes, sorry.

Type 3s (stovepipes) are malfunctions you can clear, though it takes several seconds for most people.

Jams are where you need to use tools to fix the gun. Failures to extract (requiring a bore rod) are the most common, though I've seen failures to eject turn into jams when the round ends up wedged in some ugly place. I had to pry the upper and lower on an AR apart to fix that once. That sounds like what Peter had happen.

Never had a squib load, thank god. The problem with squibs is that you may not realize what happened, assume its a dud, and just perform immediate action. Then KABOOM.
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post Nov 24 2008, 04:39 AM
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Hmmm... you'd think merely a few decades wouldn't wipe the memory clean of a term like that.

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post Nov 24 2008, 04:55 AM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 24 2008, 12:22 AM) *
Yes, sorry.

Type 3s (stovepipes) are malfunctions you can clear, though it takes several seconds for most people.

Jams are where you need to use tools to fix the gun. Failures to extract (requiring a bore rod) are the most common, though I've seen failures to eject turn into jams when the round ends up wedged in some ugly place. I had to pry the upper and lower on an AR apart to fix that once. That sounds like what Peter had happen.

Never had a squib load, thank god. The problem with squibs is that you may not realize what happened, assume its a dud, and just perform immediate action. Then KABOOM.

Thanks for the clarification. With the recent flame war between clips and magazines, I completely forgot the difference between a malfunction and a jam... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)
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post Nov 24 2008, 05:31 AM
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I "glitched" my gun cleaning roll once, used the wrong lube and ended up sticking my gun, it would still fire, but I had to manually chamber each round.
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post Nov 24 2008, 11:25 AM
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About 10 years ago I was shooting with a really old russian made .22lr bolt action rifle with some cheap bullets when one bullet got stuck in the barrel halfway and all the gasses came out from the bolt to my face. The bullet wasn't even hard to get out after wards and the gun haven't misfired a single time ever since but guess that's a critical glitch on that particular gun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Took a while before I shoot with that gun again, though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 24 2008, 12:42 PM
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I once tried to reinstall my OS on my PC.

Forgot to make backups of some important files (knowledge, curiosity's and stuff, but anyway important to me), guess that's one common glitch.
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post Nov 24 2008, 03:40 PM
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"A Good Whacking will bring it back to action"
either completely without malus or with a slight malus.
your descriptions pretty much hit the descriptions spot on ^^
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post Nov 24 2008, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Nov 24 2008, 01:19 AM) *
Good catch. It seems that most people don't figure out that they had a squib load, so they then fire the next round. Then, after the hospital releases them, they go buy a new gun.


Isn't this how Brandon Lee got killed?

They'd used a gun to fire live ammo, didn't know that last round hadn't cleared the barrel. Later they loaded it with blanks to shoot at Lee during a scene in The Crow movie.

Blank round + bullet in barrel = bullet going downrange



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post Nov 24 2008, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (GreyBrother @ Nov 24 2008, 07:42 AM) *
I once tried to reinstall my OS on my PC.
...guess that's one common glitch.


The glitch being installing Windows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Nov 24 2008, 04:30 PM
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It was ubuntu *bg*
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post Nov 24 2008, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Nov 24 2008, 11:06 AM) *
Isn't this how Brandon Lee got killed?

They'd used a gun to fire live ammo, didn't know that last round hadn't cleared the barrel. Later they loaded it with blanks to shoot at Lee during a scene in The Crow movie.

Blank round + bullet in barrel = bullet going downrange

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I believe all movie firearms are modified to only chamber blanks. (MP5s firing 8mm blanks, or something like that.)

IIRC, The previous blank cartridge broke, leaving part of the case in the barrel. The next blank cartridge came along and happily propelled this improvised bullet into Lee.

ANd according to Wiki, I would be wrong:

"Because the movie's second unit team was running behind schedule, it was decided that expedient dummy cartridges (cartridges that outwardly appear to be functional, but contain no gunpowder or primer) would be made from real cartridges by pulling out the bullet, dumping out the gunpowder and reinserting the bullet. However, the team neglected to consider that the primer was still live and, if fired, could still produce enough force to push the bullet off the end of the cartridge. At some point prior to the fatal scene, the live primer on one of the constructed dummy rounds was discharged by persons unknown while in the pistol's chamber. It caused a squib load, in which the primer provided just enough force to push the bullet out of the cartridge and into the barrel of the revolver, where it became stuck.

The malfunction went unnoticed by the crew, and the same gun was used again later to shoot the death scene, having been re-loaded with low-power black powder blanks. However, the squib load was still lodged in the barrel, and was propelled by the blank cartridge's explosion out of the barrel and into Lee's body. Although the bullet was traveling much more slowly than a normally fired bullet would be, the bullet's large size and the point-blank firing distance made it powerful enough to fatally wound Lee."
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post Nov 24 2008, 09:58 PM
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My husband and one of my brothers do WW1 re-enacting. They complain that firing only blanks from their bolt action rifles often do not have the 'umph' to eject the spent casing and they often have to have a pocket knife near at hand to pop the brass out.
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post Nov 25 2008, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja @ Nov 24 2008, 02:58 PM) *
My husband and one of my brothers do WW1 re-enacting. They complain that firing only blanks from their bolt action rifles often do not have the 'umph' to eject the spent casing and they often have to have a pocket knife near at hand to pop the brass out.

I can believe that. M16s and most other military guns have blank adapters whose main purpose is to contain the gases more so the gun cycles. The secondary purpose is to absorb a live round...
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post Nov 25 2008, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE (Shrapnel @ Nov 23 2008, 10:05 PM) *
Any idea what happened? Did you see unburnt gunpowder when you disassembled it, or perhaps no powder at all? Or did the brass case rupture, and thereby not seal the chamber completely? The most common squib is when the primer has just enough power to propel the bullet into the barrel, with either no powder in the case or the powder failing to ignite.
Like I said it was just a pfff' and lots of smoke around the breach. So I know something had gone wrong. I pulled the mag from the gun and luckily the berratta bobcat has a barrell that swings out so after I pulled the brass I could see the barrell was blocked massivley irritating. After the 2nd round the guy at the range said "that's done for the day" and I happily handed over the remaining rounds in the mag. i never got a chance to open the box of .25's I'd bought.


for SR sure this is why you carry a back up BUT it's a stone bitch when you're main gun goes down.
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post Nov 25 2008, 01:29 AM
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One of my favorite characters was a weapons specialist that happened to have the Gremlins flaw, specifically related to firearms.

I would actually look forward to having a gun jam in combat, just for the cinematic drama. It's always fun throwing your useless weapon at an opponent, and then drawing a back-up... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)
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post Nov 28 2008, 02:57 AM
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I'll resist the urge to add unneccessary violece to the weapon. Unless I'm desperate.
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post Nov 28 2008, 03:21 AM
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not really a glitch, but theres a vid up on youtube where Bruce Lee uses Nunchuck´s to play pingpong- fake or not - pretty impressive to watch.. and a perfect example to use Defaulting to a Skill - just that he used Nonchucks instead of Racketgame-Pingpong.
do you have a GM that´d let you do that?^^maybe this can convince them! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqGQ72bre30

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