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 Jan 4 2004, 12:50 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 5,518  |
Is it ever explained why bone lacing costs essence? Is it purely game balance, or does the lacing communicate with the brain in some way?
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Jan 4 2004, 12:53 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Bones have nerves around them. This is why it hurts when you break one. Getting your entire skeleton laced with kevlar, plastic, ceramic, or a metal is a very intrusive process. It significantly alters your aura from the aural template, and disrupts nervous tissue surrounding the bones.
Ergo, Essence Loss. :spin: |
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Jan 4 2004, 12:59 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Do you know how many bones are there in your body? Lacing all of them is going to cause a big chunk of Essense, especially if you are lacing your skull and spinal column. |
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Jan 4 2004, 01:05 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Hydraulic Jacks don't connect to the brain. They connect to the cyberleg, which in turn connects to the -- Oh, wait.
It isn't that it's connecting to your brain (Which I think everything does in some manner), it's that you're replacing your body with something that isn't your body. Make sense? |
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Jan 4 2004, 02:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 596 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,112 |
I think I prefer the neurological answer, personally. The replacement of body parts reason sounds like a cop out, like they had just thought up some arbitrary excuse.
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Jan 4 2004, 02:27 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
And what other reason is there? If you lose your arm and get a clonal replacement, you don't lose Essence from it. However, if you get a Cyberarm, you lose Essence.
If you get a Cerebral Booster, Mnemonic Enhancer, Synaptic Accelerator, or any bioware that affects the nervous system, you don't lose Essence. Funny, huh? Now, if by your views, I somehow got a Cerebral Booster, not only do I use up Bio Index, but now I use Essence too? That's worse than SR2's ruling on Awakened characters and Bioware (They lose Bio and Essence). |
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Jan 4 2004, 02:32 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
A cyberarm has to be neurally connected.
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Jan 4 2004, 02:34 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Yes. So does a Cerebral Booster. And a cloned arm. Your point?
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Jan 4 2004, 02:37 AM
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Traumatizing players since 1992 Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
No, no it doesn't. bioware uses naturally existing connections and requires no alteration to the brain.
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Jan 4 2004, 02:38 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Which is why it doesn't take Essence, but Bio Index. That point is proven. Now prove why Bone Lacing shouldn't take Essence. You're putting something that isn't natural into your body.
If it were completely natural, it would cause neither Essence loss or Bio Index usage. |
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Jan 4 2004, 02:56 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
A 'completely natural' replacement arm, or even liver causes no loss of Bio-Index. |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:06 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
What does communication with the brain have to do with essence loss? Bonelacing significantly alters the body's original function, particularly the toughness of the bones. The body's True Pattern is thus significantly altered. Even if it's an OOC thing, SR really needs some of Earthdawn's descriptions of patterns included in it, at least to explain essence loss. |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:27 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
That's what I said. :D |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:37 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah I know...now! I'm either blind, tired, or too fucking depressed to read properly. Move along. Nothing to see here. :) |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:45 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
S'OK man. I'm sick and should be heading to bed soon. Need that blasted thing they call "sleep," whatever it is. |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:50 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,952 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Sleep is for the weak.
Alternately, if you're a student (or employed at certain jobs), sleep is for the week. ~J |
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Jan 4 2004, 04:46 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 5,518 |
The first couple of pages of M&M (I think) state that while making the 3rd ed they decided that essence loss came from things communicating with the brain. But still, many things that cost essence do not communicate with the brain.
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Jan 4 2004, 05:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
:nuyen:
Time for another stupid noob question by joker How does essence differ from bio index? if you want my .02 :nuyen: personally think alot of the essence thing is just a game balancer as are alot of things in the game. |
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Jan 4 2004, 05:25 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 56 Joined: 21-July 03 From: the Worcester Barrens Member No.: 4,997 |
hey, that's my line! no, really it is. :P |
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Jan 4 2004, 05:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
Essence would be your astral makeup, how much your "soul" can take before it snaps from having a cyber-fragging-toothbrush.
Bio index is how much your body can take before it goes..."Hey, these aren't /my/ parts..." But yes, it is a game balance issue, with some legitimate explanation. |
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Jan 4 2004, 05:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 606 Joined: 17-December 03 Member No.: 5,909 |
ok im pretty sure that when you lose esssence you also lose magic as well. essence goes from 6 to 5 so your magic goes from 6 to 5. But how does Bio index affect magic?
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Jan 4 2004, 05:36 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,952 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Bio index causes "virtual magic loss", which is the same as the real thing except once you hit 0 you don't become a mundane, you can still initiate your way out of the hole. Depending on GM interpretation you may or may not also be able to use all your adept powers as long as the cost of the powers in use at a given time doesn't exceed your virtual magic rating.
Currently it causes this virtual loss at a rate of 1/2 bio index. ~J |
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Jan 4 2004, 06:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
Because there are still foriegn structures in your body inhibiting the mana flow. The mundane doesn't give a shit about this aural impact, but to the awakened, it's the difference between blowing up their head and blowing up your own.
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Jan 4 2004, 08:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 30-May 03 From: Tulsa, OK Member No.: 4,652 |
I'm pretty sure according to the above errata that it also means it's no longer a virtual loss of magic. |
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Jan 4 2004, 09:12 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The errata doesn't actually come out and say that. It doesn't even imply it. I would think a change that big would get some kind of mention. |
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