 True Believer Flaw, Need ideas |
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 Jan 4 2004, 10:05 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-February 03 Member No.: 4,110  |
What are good examples of causes to believe in, a la the True Believer flaw?
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Jan 4 2004, 10:11 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Justice, Environmentalism, Fundamentalist (Any religion), Humanitarianism, etc.
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Jan 4 2004, 10:30 AM
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 |
don't forget king, and country.
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Jan 4 2004, 12:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 26-June 03 From: 127.0.0.1 Member No.: 4,813 |
Racial elitist (Humanis or the snooty-elf kind) types are most often "true believers" in their cause (ie. "cleansing" the gene pool), but there's lots of other options.
A Blade-like vampire/ghoul hunter can be a true believer, corporate drones can be true believers in the corp's cause, gangers who'd willingly take a bullet to protect their leader can be considered true believers, religious followers, etc etc. |
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Jan 4 2004, 12:42 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Hell, you can be a True Believer of the Faith that states that Humans will kick Horror ass when they pop their head up in the 6th world.
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Jan 4 2004, 01:46 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
How do you propose to make this a legitimate, hindering flaw?
True Faith Delusion Code of Honor -Siege |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:17 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
As I have suggested in the past, make it a high force compulsions style flaw.
If there was a rallying call for people to fight XYZ corp that was polluting the wilderness, most people would only get involved if there was a paycheck or other benefits on offer. Anyone with an appropriate true believer flaw (Against said corp, for sanctity of wilderness or whatever) would probably be compelled to go fight even at cost to himself. You could play other versions as social disadvantage like bad reputation or similar disadvantages. IE: the character suggests "What if it was Aliens?" as a possible reason whenever someone/something goes missing. |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:26 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: 4-January 04 From: Redbridge, London, UK Member No.: 5,957 |
How about this? Your character's "true belief" is a living being. Perhaps her lover is her true belief, or her child, or her grandmother. She'll always behave in such a way as to protect that true belief, and to further the good of that true belief. The character's motive force isn't the desire for money or adventure, but rather her need to make a better life for the person she cares about more than anything.
I know, it's just the romantic in me . . . |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:37 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
The Mulder flaw! :grinbig: -Siege |
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Jan 4 2004, 03:37 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
That's already got a flaw, it's called dependant. You could consider it a lower rating 'true believer' flaw but I don't think it's worth the -3 suggested in NSRCG.
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Jan 4 2004, 03:38 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Really Lilt? I would have called that one Delusional, myself. :grinbig: Sorry, it's the cynic in me. -Siege |
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Jan 4 2004, 04:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 58 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,947 |
This is such a bogus "flaw."
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Jan 4 2004, 06:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 227 Joined: 18-August 03 Member No.: 5,513 |
Like other flaws, if the gm doesn't confront a player with his/her flaws from time to time. |
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Jan 4 2004, 06:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: 4-January 04 From: Redbridge, London, UK Member No.: 5,957 |
You're just playing in the wrong campaign, that's all, missing out on all that true love and high adventure. |
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Jan 4 2004, 06:35 PM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Or he just likes being cynical. |
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Jan 4 2004, 07:01 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Or honest. -Siege |
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Jan 4 2004, 09:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: 4-January 04 From: Redbridge, London, UK Member No.: 5,957 |
Is the Shadowrun universe of 2064 a milieu necessarily a pessimistic one? I find it quite the contrary. Our campaign is at once gritty and hopeful, dark and optimistic. Of course we seldom coincide with the canon storyline. . . .
Our campaign is perhaps best described as "epic dark fantasy." The world is a place of wonder. How could it not be, so rampant is it with elves and dragons and AIs of mythic prowess and unfathomable agendas? |
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Jan 4 2004, 09:15 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
The SR setting has little to do with True Belief = Object Of Affection-Person. That could and would happen wherever there are humans. And if it is taken to the absolutely moronic levels at which it often occurs IRL, it can be quite a flaw. It can be quite detrimental to successful shadowrunning when the mention of a name makes you completely lose it.
That isn't "love and caring" though, that's just unadultered mad obsession. Just like all other forms of True Belief©. |
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Jan 5 2004, 06:18 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 |
Siege...my friend...did you ever read Don Quixote? |
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Jan 5 2004, 06:35 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
shadowrun is 'necessarily' pessimistic because it's cyberpunk, a genre that is wholly based around the idea that the future is going to suck. magic, to me, is no different from technology in SR, in that both are realms of fascination and wonder that are easily corrupted into more reasons for metahumans to kill and betray each other. that's not to say that everyone's game should be pessimistic and cynical; after all, it's hard to have people striving and failing if there's nothing to strive and fail for. but, yes--in general, shadowrun is dark and cynical.
more on topic, austere's got it right. 'true belief' can be a good, happy thing; or it can be a bad, blowing-up-schoolbusses thing. in SR, the latter is more likely. |
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Jan 5 2004, 07:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 22-June 02 From: Parts Without Member No.: 2,897 |
I always see "true believers" as "bible thumpers" of some kind (though the "bible" could be anything from _Silent Spring_ to the new-new-new-testament, to the Ares Macrotech employee guidelines, or even, dare I say, the Microdrek Windows Matrix Server 2062 docos *shudder*). Mac users tend to be true believers, too, I might add.
A fun spin on the bible-thumper theme would be to have a true believer in the latest round of corp self-help/get-ahead books (ie, those "who stole my cheese" or whatever books). The player would want to get the runner team organized, homogenized, etc.... and always looking for ways to improve while hitting other corps. "You know, NightBlade, according to 'The 7 Essential Habits of Very Successful Samurai......'" |
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Jan 5 2004, 08:28 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Rich Johnson, Poor Johnson? |
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Jan 5 2004, 08:33 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
...Beggar Johnson, Thief? |
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Jan 5 2004, 09:02 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
"Who moved my credstick?"
"Chicken soup for burn out mages" |
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Jan 5 2004, 02:57 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Bloody Stupid Johnson. :grinbig:
-Siege |
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