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post Jan 5 2004, 03:12 PM
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I always see "true believers" as "bible thumpers" of some kind (though the "bible" could be anything from _Silent Spring_ to the new-new-new-testament, to the Ares Macrotech employee guidelines, or even, dare I say, the Microdrek Windows Matrix Server 2062 docos *shudder*). Mac users tend to be true believers, too, I might add.

A fun spin on the bible-thumper theme would be to have a true believer in the latest round of corp self-help/get-ahead books (ie, those "who stole my cheese" or whatever books). The player would want to get the runner team organized, homogenized, etc.... and always looking for ways to improve while hitting other corps. "You know, NightBlade, according to 'The 7 Essential Habits of Very Successful Samurai......'"

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post Jan 5 2004, 03:20 PM
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post Jan 5 2004, 03:41 PM
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post Jan 5 2004, 03:44 PM
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post Jan 6 2004, 06:03 AM
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So I'm thinking maybe Anti-Aztechnology as my belief. How do ya'll think that might manifest? Not shopping at Azmart, not running for Aztech or it's subsidiaries, etc. What else?
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post Jan 6 2004, 06:11 AM
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Taking runs against Aztech for free or at a big loss...

hacking, heckling or vandalizing Aztech property, sending hate mail...

Or

Working in the local government to make sure that the Azzies never get any inroads... sabatage there assets set them up for the Big guns in the area to look like either a ripe target or a corp trying to cut in...

lots of ways to play it... depends on what kind of guy he is

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post Jan 6 2004, 06:21 AM
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So I'm thinking maybe Anti-Aztechnology as my belief. How do ya'll think that might manifest? Not shopping at Azmart, not running for Aztech or it's subsidiaries, etc. What else?

I think it really depends on your character.

But, in my opinion, if you take true believer, your actions concerning this belief have to be much more active. Not buying any of Aztechnology's goods is a good start, but only counts as passive resistance at best. Your character should be involved in a poli-club. It doesn't have to be like Pyramid Watcher or the Sons of the Alamo... but close. Hell, with Aztechnology, you could even be a part of a Tejano group that takes real offense to traditionally Catholic Shrines and other divine manifestations being destroyed or twisted by a bunch of demon worshipping blood-mages... Your activities could range from broadcasting the truth from across the border or handing out flyers all over the place... None of this is conducive to Shadowrunning for fun and profit which is why this is a flaw.

Layer this flaw with Hunted and Dark Secret and you have the makings of a Revolutionary Hero. :D
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post Jan 6 2004, 06:21 AM
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Taking runs against Aztech for free or at a big loss...


Sounds awfully charitable ... I dunno, if a Johnson asked me to run on Aztech, I still think I'd try to milk him.
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post Jan 6 2004, 06:28 AM
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wiht the true believer flaw:
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"Character is a true believer in a political cuase and will not act to harm it, even at significant personal cost. no matter what, character somehow believes that "The Leader" is really the shining paragon that he wants him to be."


taking a run for free seems like a significant personal cost to me...

after all you truly believe in your heart of hearts that Aztech is "evil"...

if it didn't have a significant 'in game' effect it wouldn't be a flaw... and at 3 points it's up there with severe bad reputation in game effect level...

if you just don't like Aztech... well then you are not a true believer more like just a strong dislike a "hatred" might be better.. then talk to the gm about a lesser point cost flaw...

this isn't to say you wouldn't try to get something for it.. just that you would be willing to do it for very little or even a loss... cause Hurting aztech is as good as money if you are a true believer in causing the downfall of Aztech...

that is how I run this flaw as A GM... but as always local milage may vary.

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post Jan 6 2004, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE (Fahr @ Jan 6 2004, 02:28 PM)
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"Character is a true believer in a political cuase and will not act to harm it, even at significant personal cost. no matter what, character somehow believes that "The Leader" is really the shining paragon that he wants him to be."



Well, that's simple enough. Believe in... yourself. You are your own political cause. You go on runs for you. :rotfl:
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post Jan 6 2004, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (Fahr @ Jan 6 2004, 02:28 PM)
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"Character is a true believer in a political cuase and will not act to harm it, even at significant personal cost. no matter what, character somehow believes that "The Leader" is really the shining paragon that he wants him to be."



Well, that's simple enough. Believe in... yourself. You are your own political cause. You go on runs for you. :rotfl:

True believer "Individualist"
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post Jan 6 2004, 08:26 AM
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wiht the true believer flaw:
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"Character is a true believer in a political cuase and will not act to harm it, even at significant personal cost. no matter what, character somehow believes that "The Leader" is really the shining paragon that he wants him to be."


taking a run for free seems like a significant personal cost to me...

after all you truly believe in your heart of hearts that Aztech is "evil"...

if it didn't have a significant 'in game' effect it wouldn't be a flaw... and at 3 points it's up there with severe bad reputation in game effect level...

if you just don't like Aztech... well then you are not a true believer more like just a strong dislike a "hatred" might be better.. then talk to the gm about a lesser point cost flaw...

this isn't to say you wouldn't try to get something for it.. just that you would be willing to do it for very little or even a loss... cause Hurting aztech is as good as money if you are a true believer in causing the downfall of Aztech...

that is how I run this flaw as A GM... but as always local milage may vary.

-Mike R.

I believe in Bob Dole, but Im not walking into the republican national convention saying "I'll work for free as long as the run supports Bob Dole" I'm gonna pretend not to care. It's up to the Johnson to discover that I support X cause.
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post Jan 6 2004, 08:33 AM
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I think "Fanaticism" might be a better name for this flaw. IMO this flaw makes you quite willing to drink Jonestown Kool-Aid.
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post Jan 6 2004, 08:35 AM
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But if a fixer gives you a hard luck line about having sweet FA in the way of financing, but the run he wants you to do would benefit Bob Dole, you wouldn't refuse it on the grounds of lack of money.
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post Jan 6 2004, 09:06 AM
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I believe in Bob Dole, but Im not walking into the republican national convention saying "I'll work for free as long as the run supports Bob Dole" I'm gonna pretend not to care.

That's because you do not have the True Believer Flaw, you just believe in Bob Dole. If you did have the True Believer Flaw, you would quit your day job to support your hero Bob Dole full time for free.

Like Zazen pointed out, this Flaw makes you funny in the head. In fact, it makes you so fucking hilarious in the head that other people may often miss the joke altogether.
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post Jan 6 2004, 05:31 PM
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My take on this flaw has always been that you are actively involved in a cause. I generally dissuade people from being against any thing. I prefer someone who plays an anti-t4echnologist to be more specific in his philosophy like belonging to a certain sect of Luddites.

Or in the case of Linux worshipers to be devoted to a certain designers' code.

I belive they should be following positive goals that force them to rationalize extreme actions. That's a flaw.
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post Jan 6 2004, 05:33 PM
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Religious fanatics are prime examples of how this becomes a flaw.

True believers in Bob Dole, for example, would pull a "Grateful Dead" stunt and follow their icon(s) on the road and living the dream. :grinbig:

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Edit: Extreme Anarchists would be another example of fanatics to a cause.
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post Jan 6 2004, 05:44 PM
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What about "nihilists"?

Nihilist: "I believe in nothing...except nihilism." :P
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post Jan 6 2004, 05:47 PM
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What about "nihilists"?

Nihilist: "I believe in nothing...except nihilism." :P

Sure --> it's not too far from a "Deathwish" flaw.

Of course, that's not someone I'd want covering my back when the bullets are flying, but that's just me..:grinbig:

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post Jan 6 2004, 08:53 PM
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<snip>Or in the case of Linux worshipers to be devoted to a certain designers' code.</snip>

Not true. I know plenty of *nix Elitists who don't swear by one particular coder, but by the entire *nix system.
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