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post Jan 6 2004, 01:05 AM
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Hey guys,

I'm new to Shadowrun but a veteran of Rifts and AD&D. I've built a character (took awhile sheesh), and she is not an effective component of the group. I am really looking to build an effective (not munchkin) covert ops specialist. I was unfamiliar with the other characters in the group and after the first session I found that they are both heavily combat oriented.

Needless to say we have alot of trouble achieving the most basic non combat goals of our current run. The GM has given me the go ahead to redesign my character to more complement the group.
From what I understand covert ops characters are more skill oriented.

The problem I had in the first game session was that I lacked the proper skills and/or skill levels to complete non-combat objectives. I ended up almost getting captured while infiltrating a corp facility and attempting to place a datatap. I could not even get a basic mag lock open to get in.

I'm a little confused about the skills system of shadowrun. It appears totally amorphous and you can make up just about any skill you want.

I am also confused about how/when skills are used (like why does a non decker need computer skills?).

I am also confused about how knowledge skills relate to active skills (if they do). E.g. electronics and electronics background.

First off, if anyone can reccomend a good design for a covert ops oriented character that would be great. I have my own ideas which I will include here:

Skills (A)
Athletics: 4
SMG (Ingrams): 5 (7)
Pistols: 6
Stealth: 6
Computers: 4
Electronics: 6
Electronics B/R: 5
Unarmed combat (Akido): 4
Demolitions (plasitc): 4 (6)
Ettiquette (Corp): 3 (5)
Negotiation: 3


Knowledge skills
Lone Star Tactics: 3
Electronics Background:4
Computer Theory: 4
Megacorporate Security: 4
Security Procedures: 4
Demolitions Background: 3
Security Design (Corporate): 4 (6)
Electronic Warfare: 4

Resources (B): 400,000

Attributes ©:
Body: 3
Strength: 4
Quickness:6
Intelligence:6
Willpower: 2
Charisma: 3

Any advice on cyberwear/bioware would be great. I plan on using espionage related eyewear and skillsofts as well as electronic warfare related gear.

thanks in advance for the help.
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- Solstice   New to Shadowrun: Need advice   Jan 6 2004, 01:05 AM
- - Grey   You may want to pick up a few more points in Etiqu...   Jan 6 2004, 01:09 AM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (Grey) You may want to pick up a few more po...   Jan 6 2004, 01:17 AM
- - Lilt   Yowch, I'd buy some charisma to start with, yo...   Jan 6 2004, 01:18 AM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (Solstice) oh sorry my bad. I will edit it. ...   Jan 6 2004, 01:21 AM
- - Solstice   ok i edited the first post to reflect the proper a...   Jan 6 2004, 01:25 AM
- - toturi   You might want to have less skills and more Attrib...   Jan 6 2004, 01:46 AM
- - Rev   Drop one of the firearms skills. Choose depending...   Jan 6 2004, 01:46 AM
- - Solstice   interesting things you say. I doubt attributes A w...   Jan 6 2004, 02:02 AM
- - toturi   Nobody told you to put those skills into headware ...   Jan 6 2004, 02:07 AM
- - Lilt   Firstly: Alpha-grade cyberware (doubble price, red...   Jan 6 2004, 02:12 AM
- - OurTeam   If both the other characters are combat oriented, ...   Jan 6 2004, 02:16 AM
- - Rev   Those peices of ware list the task pool which can ...   Jan 6 2004, 02:19 AM
- - Solstice   Thanks for all the great advice guys. I'm lear...   Jan 6 2004, 02:27 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Rev) Personally I think one skill should co...   Jan 6 2004, 02:59 AM
- - Big Crow   These are just a few suggestions from the hip. Yea...   Jan 6 2004, 03:11 AM
- - Cain   Your basic setup looks pretty good. I'd run w...   Jan 6 2004, 03:16 AM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (Big Crow @ Jan 5 2004, 10:11 PM) These...   Jan 6 2004, 03:27 AM
- - Fortune   Small Unit Tactics does not require Cyberware (alt...   Jan 6 2004, 03:45 AM
- - Solstice   Yes I see that just now having read it again. For ...   Jan 6 2004, 04:06 AM
- - Joker9125   My character is a quadrapeligic and he is very use...   Jan 6 2004, 04:06 AM
- - Solstice   Interesting concept . Like I said I'm new to...   Jan 6 2004, 04:08 AM
- - Tanka   QUOTE (Solstice) Interesting concept . Like I sa...   Jan 6 2004, 04:11 AM
- - kevyn668   What books do you have accces to? It seems like yo...   Jan 6 2004, 04:12 AM
- - Solstice   yeah the group has been playing for a while. We ha...   Jan 6 2004, 04:30 AM
- - Joker9125   QUOTE (Solstice)Interesting concept  . Like ...   Jan 6 2004, 04:47 AM
- - Fortune   It's up to you, but Rating 3 Skillwires with a...   Jan 6 2004, 04:51 AM
- - Bölverk   I would suggest that for covert ops and breaking ...   Jan 6 2004, 04:57 AM
- - Fortune   I'm opposed to the CED, even with the recent e...   Jan 6 2004, 05:01 AM
- - OurTeam   QUOTE (Joker9125) put your charisma at 8 so you ca...   Jan 6 2004, 05:11 AM
- - Joker9125   QUOTE (OurTeam)QUOTE (Joker9125 @ Jan 5 2004,...   Jan 6 2004, 05:24 AM
- - DV8   Solstice, I just want to say that even though your...   Jan 6 2004, 08:45 AM
- - The Burning One   Well one thing I might suggest is Microscopic Visi...   Jan 6 2004, 12:33 PM
- - Solstice   The reason I'm adamant about the SMG skills is...   Jan 6 2004, 06:05 PM
- - Solstice   Ok this is the final draft of the character. It...   Jan 6 2004, 06:07 PM
- - The Burning One   I sincerely hope you have some way of dealing with...   Jan 6 2004, 07:48 PM
- - kevyn668   QUOTE Activesofts Demolitions: 3 Rifles: 3 Asski...   Jan 6 2004, 08:11 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (The Burning One) I sincerely hope you have ...   Jan 6 2004, 08:39 PM
- - Solstice   Also does anyone know if Active softs can give you...   Jan 6 2004, 08:50 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Yep, the activesoft can be anything. Just be aware...   Jan 6 2004, 09:41 PM
- - Cain   It's probably too late to add the superflash o...   Jan 6 2004, 09:50 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (Cain) It's probably too late to add the...   Jan 6 2004, 11:29 PM
- - OurTeam   Solstice, your campaign must be ignoring the Avail...   Jan 6 2004, 11:45 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Solstice @ Jan 7 2004, 07:29 AM) Yeah ...   Jan 6 2004, 11:46 PM
- - Kagetenshi   *Twitches and then collapses* Avail. issues aside,...   Jan 7 2004, 12:01 AM
- - Solstice   Well, Let me put it this way. These guys have bee...   Jan 7 2004, 12:28 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Solstice) Well, Let me put it this way. Th...   Jan 7 2004, 12:31 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Unless you're doing volunteer work, it's a...   Jan 7 2004, 12:34 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Solstice) Skills Athletics: 3 SMG (Ingrams)...   Jan 7 2004, 12:57 AM
- - Solstice   hey frag head give me some credit over here I...   Jan 7 2004, 12:59 AM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 6 2004, 07:57 PM) QUOTE ...   Jan 7 2004, 01:00 AM
- - Fortune   If you don't use Edges & Flaws, then the a...   Jan 7 2004, 01:08 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Fortune) If you don't use Edges & F...   Jan 7 2004, 01:11 AM
- - Rattler   QUOTE (Fortune)I don't recall off-hand whether...   Jan 7 2004, 01:26 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Solstice) hey frag head give me some credit...   Jan 7 2004, 01:31 AM
- - Solstice   Stop goading me. I like this board and want to sta...   Jan 7 2004, 01:43 AM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 6 2004, 08:08 PM) If you...   Jan 7 2004, 01:47 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Solstice) Stop goading me. I like this boar...   Jan 7 2004, 01:58 AM
- - Siege   The evaluation is a completely accurate one: mil-s...   Jan 7 2004, 02:04 AM
- - Tanka   QUOTE (Solstice)QUOTE (Fortune @ Jan 6 2004, ...   Jan 7 2004, 02:35 AM
- - Fortune   Please don't think I'm thying to goad, or ...   Jan 7 2004, 02:43 AM
- - kevyn668   @ Solstice: I don't know if anyone said this ...   Jan 7 2004, 02:58 AM
- - IcyCool   Solstice, I have a couple of questions for you. #...   Jan 7 2004, 04:24 AM
- - kevyn668   QUOTE IcyCool Posted on Jan 7 2004, 04:24 AM ...   Jan 7 2004, 04:26 AM
- - Solstice   We are using SR3 No one has mil spec body armor b...   Jan 7 2004, 07:22 AM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   Check the rules on covering fire. That and walkin...   Jan 7 2004, 07:33 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Solstice) This is really cool board and I t...   Jan 7 2004, 07:56 AM
- - IcyCool   QUOTE (Solstice)We are using SR3 Right then. Amb...   Jan 7 2004, 08:12 AM
- - Daishi   For a low body character that might accidently get...   Jan 7 2004, 09:45 AM
- - The Burning One   QUOTE (IcyCool)If you are going to get it, why not...   Jan 7 2004, 12:52 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Those numbers should be 8, 13, 18, and 25, for an ...   Jan 7 2004, 03:11 PM
- - The Burning One   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)Those numbers should be 8, 13, 1...   Jan 7 2004, 03:51 PM
- - Solstice   I told you guys exactly what was up with the Super...   Jan 7 2004, 05:42 PM
- - Tanka   Which means with your next burst, both guns are go...   Jan 7 2004, 05:45 PM
- - Solstice   hmm ok so each weapon will be +3 on a 6 round burs...   Jan 7 2004, 05:47 PM
- - Tanka   No... If you fire two guns at once, the recoil fr...   Jan 7 2004, 05:53 PM
- - Kagetenshi   And it has a six-round burst, which means you cann...   Jan 7 2004, 06:01 PM
- - Tanka   Oh yeah. I kind forgot that. Woops. Simple Acti...   Jan 7 2004, 06:04 PM
- - The Burning One   Three round bursts aren't an option with the S...   Jan 7 2004, 06:12 PM
- - Tanka   TBO: I'm pretty sure uncompensated recoil from...   Jan 7 2004, 06:17 PM
- - IcyCool   On the other hand, firing these babies on full-aut...   Jan 7 2004, 08:26 PM
- - Solstice   Hmm ok I'm convinced of that now. Guess I bett...   Jan 7 2004, 08:42 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (tanka) TBO: I'm pretty sure uncompensat...   Jan 7 2004, 08:43 PM
- - DV8   QUOTE (Solstice) Hmm ok I'm convinced of that ...   Jan 7 2004, 09:19 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (DV8) Normal Ingrams are the shit, j0. Y...   Jan 8 2004, 02:51 AM
- - IcyCool   QUOTE (Solstice)QUOTE (tanka @ Jan 7 2004, 01...   Jan 8 2004, 07:43 PM
- - Tanka   HV fires 15 rounds in FA, IIRC.   Jan 8 2004, 07:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   18, I thought it was. 15 is Miniguns. I may be wro...   Jan 8 2004, 07:45 PM
- - Solstice   QUOTE (IcyCool) QUOTE (Solstice)QUOTE (tanka ...   Jan 8 2004, 09:10 PM


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