Female Trolls, Do they even exist? Options

[IceKatze]

hi hi

I'll throw my hat into the ring as well. Here's a quick color sketch I made of a female troll.

I liked the 3rd Edition Runners Companion for its art of various people both pretty and grizzled, 4th edition's runners companion was woefully lacking.

[MYST1C]

Like this one I did for ImmortalElf of his character Silver

Not bad. But the ears look too elfish - too long.

Or this quickie I did of a troll chick

The head is ok. But the whole body needs to be more massive.

[Squinky]

IceKatze

I like that very much, in fact it is close to how I envision the normalish looking female Troll.

Mystic

I flat out agree on the second picture (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Every now and then I hear the thing about meta ears on dumpshock, and I've always wondered where that stems from. Did something change from one edition to another? I have always seen all the Meta's with pointed ears...course the art may be wrong as you say, but it would rock to get some background info on that.

[BlueMax]

Every now and then I hear the thing about meta ears on dumpshock, and I've always wondered where that stems from. Did something change from one edition to another? I have always seen all the Meta's with pointed ears...course the art may be wrong as you say, but it would rock to get some background info on that.

I can add to the confusion. They all have points "Don't shoot till you see the points of their ears"

The difference, to some, being that orks, trolls and dwarf ears have points on humanesque ears. Elves have elongated ears.

[Kev]

I can add to the confusion. They all have points "Don't shoot till you see the points of their ears"

The difference, to some, being that orks, trolls and dwarf ears have points on humanesque ears. Elves have elongated ears.

I thought, excluding variants, only orcs and elves have pointed ears? Humans, Trolls, and Dwarves all have roundies.

[BlueMax]

I thought, excluding variants, only orcs and elves have pointed ears? Humans, Trolls, and Dwarves all have roundies.

Mind you, I am from "The School of Old". Holy Drek, it looks like the Trolls may win for longest ears!

Quotes from the Holy Blue Book

The Dwarvish nose teds to be large and long, and the ears slightly pointed

Elves

The ears come to a definite point

Trolls

The ears show definite points and are sometimes elongated as well

Mind you, this was back in the days of high fantasy Shadowrun, where men were men, and Elves were...

Elves are Nocturnal beings. They are vegetarian

sigh, I miss those days. Mostly the being 14 and eating whole pizzas without gaining weight part.

[Kanada Ten]

Fucking dandelion eaters.

[IceKatze]

hi hi

MYST1C: Perhaps the pistol she's holding is actually a sport rifle with the troll modification. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Squinky: Thanks! It is always nice to know one's work is appreciated. I'll have to look through your gallery when I get some time.

[MYST1C]

MYST1C: Perhaps the pistol she's holding is actually a sport rifle with the troll modification. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It's not about size, it's about proportions. Her body simply looks too human.
There are good race comparison pictures floating around on Dumpshock based on the race descriptions. Basically, if you shrunk a troll proportionally to human size he would not look like a human. Much more massive build, wider shoulders, broader and deeper torso, longer arms (and in earlier editions, shorter legs).

[AllTheNothing]

I thought, excluding variants, only orcs and elves have pointed ears? Humans, Trolls, and Dwarves all have roundies.

Nope.
Elves, Orks and Trolls ears are obviously pointy (just take a look at the BBB' sample characters), dwarves are trickier as their ears are almost identical to the one of the humans, just barely pointy.
It stand a reason for Humanis simbol to be a round ear.

[BlueMax]

Nope.
Elves, Orks and Trolls ears are obviously pointy (just take a look at the BBB' sample characters), dwarves are trickier as their ears are almost identical to the one of the humans, just barely pointy.
It stand a reason for Humanis simbol to be a round ear.

And why you don't shoot till you see the points of their ears!

[nezumi]

Man, where's that 2nd or 3rd edition pic with the troll schoolgirl? Hawwwwt!

[Hagga]

Holy christ, when did Dumpshock get artists? I musth ave missed something in the whole three months I've been posting.

Ahem: Noice!

sigh, I miss those days. Mostly the being 14 and eating whole pizzas without gaining weight part.

That's my favorite trick to pull in front of my female roommates. Of course, I torment myself constantly at the gym to do that, and running from them isn't exactly a snap.

[pbangarth]

That's my favorite trick to pull in front of my female roommates. Of course, I torment myself constantly at the gym to do that, and running from them isn't exactly a snap.

Nor is it necessarily desirable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Squinky]

Thinking on mystics last comment, I drew up what I view to be size comparisons of Trolls to Humans, with a Dwarf slapped in too. Am I close to right?

Troll to human comparision

[InfinityzeN]

The one with Lover Boy on his shirt is correct. The other one is more like an oversized human with horns.

[BlueMax]

The one with Lover Boy on his shirt is correct. The other one is more like an oversized human with horns.

I assume that you mean "on average" there could be a really wimpy troll.

[pbangarth]

The dwarf seems a touch small to me.

[BlueMax]

The dwarf seems a touch small to me.

I was going to comment he was too thin. and should have a huge torso, but didn't wander any further. This is a troll thread.

[Tashiro]

True, and the sample archetypes in the 4E book have a female dwarf, in plain, frontal view. The orc and dwarf pictures there give a very good look at a female of the race. The troll is the only one which doesn't get a plain, open, well-lit view and doesn't give us a good idea of what female trolls could look like. :\

I just bet the artists aren't really that interested in drawing female trolls. If they want a 'bruiser', a male troll or orc will do. If they want a 'sexy', they can use the elves or humans. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[MYST1C]

Thinking on mystics last comment, I drew up what I view to be size comparisons of Trolls to Humans, with a Dwarf slapped in too. Am I close to right?

I really like that sketch, congrats!
Basically, "Lover Boy" looks like a troll should according to the race description, clearly depicting his non-human physique and body proportions*.
"Gun Boy" on the other hand looks like trolls are drawn most of the time - just tall humans with tusks and horns. To fit the average depiction in SR artwork you'd just have to make him shorter, only about a head taller than the human. For somehow almost all SR artists seem to do a conversion in their heads where 2.5m (or 2.8m in SR1-3) becomes 2m or 2.1m when drawing.

* Note: SR4, besides making trolls shorter and lighter, relegated trolls' elongated arms to "optional".

[InfinityzeN]

Ahhhh, but taking away their elongated arms and dropping their height a good bit would also take away their +1 reach.

That said, the "Gun Boy" troll needs wider features and shoulders even if you don't bulk up the rest of him or give him longer arms.

[wind_in_the_ston...]

To fit the average depiction in SR artwork you'd just have to make him shorter, only about a head taller than the human. For somehow almost all SR artists seem to do a conversion in their heads where 2.5m (or 2.8m in SR1-3) becomes 2m or 2.1m when drawing.

I think trolls are always depicted too large. Whether that's because the books make them that way, or just because people like to make them huge, I don't think it's realistic, ruleswise. You picture this person who's as big as a car, if he punches the average person, that person doesn't just mark a lot of boxes, he gets his sternum shoved through his spine. The combat rules don't quite match up.

Trolls should be around eight feet tall, but they're often drawn at more like ten to twelve.

[HentaiZonga]

here was my take on the SR metatype females, as it seems relevant to the thread.

The troll-chick's horns weren't visible in this render.

[Tomothy]

That may be height appropriate, but the distribution of muscle and fat leaves something to be desired.