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 Jan 9 2004, 10:48 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Shanghai, China Member No.: 5,618  |
Hi,
I did a search on "tibet" and "china" but the results did not help me out, so here it goes: As far as I am informed, China collapsed (like most other states that originally consisted of several nations like Germany or the US) into many smaller provinces and Tibet achieved indepence. Is this correct? If so, in what sourcebooks can I find information on this (I only found information on Tai Shan in Awakened Lands but that is not exactly in the area). Concerning my campaign idea, it will (through some twists) involve a Chinese warlord convinced that Tibet should be part of Great China again and starts a military coup to annex it into a neighbouring province. Is there canon information about Tibet's infrastructure, economy, politics, society and so on? Any suggestions and ideas enriching this campaign concept is welcome, of course. tbd |
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Jan 9 2004, 11:10 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Hello, Mr Do-not-understand-what-is-spoken.
The Tibet in SR is, to best of my knowledge, is isolationist and has enough mojo/firepower to keep out unwanted visitors. Since Inazo Aneki is/was Mr Big in Renraku and he was warned not to play fast and loose with the Tibetians by big D (remember, a AAA can just about push around any country on Earth), I think they won't have any problems stopping any invasion unless it is backed by Lung. Even if Lung wanted to invade, I think he may find Tibet to be a little hard to swallow because Renraku may just interfere with Lung's plans to protect their bossman. |
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Jan 9 2004, 01:34 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
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Jan 9 2004, 01:42 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Shortly after the Awakening, Tibet was sealed off by a magical ward or barrier. Inanzo Aneki entered using an item that DUnkelzahn bequesed him in his Will. That's about all you'll find for Tibet (although see Brainscan for the cool new adept power) China broke into five or so warring states, with Hong Kong gainign independance. First mentioned in SR3 Main, go check out Lung's section of Dargons of the Sixth World. |
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Jan 9 2004, 02:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 16-April 02 From: DC Member No.: 2,605 |
India and China have a long history. India allowed the Dali Lama to establish himself in Dhamshala (in the Indian Himalayas) after China invaded in the late 1950s. India developed a nuclear weapons program in 1974 because of China's nuclear weapons, together with India being on the loosing end of a boarder war in 1962. In SR times, I know India has seen some problem and would most likely continue to be the most diverse nation on earth, but you can guarantee they would help Tibet fight off any Chinese warlord. I'm not sure how stable India would be and how much assistance they could lend. India also has a long history with Pakistan and various areas of it's own territory with strong separatists leaning today(which I'm honestly amazed haven't achieved independence themselves). Since Tibet achieved independence, India doesn't have a boarder with China and I think India would see any attempts to change that strongly against it's national interest.
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Jan 9 2004, 02:48 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
You all realize that it would most likely take Lung himself to break through the veil surrounding Tibet?
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Jan 9 2004, 02:51 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,952 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
As AH mentioned, Tibet is surrounded by a magical barrier. Nothing gets in except Aneki, and not much comes out. It's going to be quite the high-powered campaign if a warlord finds out a way to crack that.
~J |
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Jan 9 2004, 03:00 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Shanghai, China Member No.: 5,618 |
Hi,
@Ancient History: Yes I do, and that is the problem, as a Chinese invasion (or a movement like the we-want-the-US-back movement in threats (I only have the German book so I am not sure about names)) would be a great story hook, especially since most of my group is politically interested. The easy way to do it would be to change canon for our personal purpose, but I am hesitant to do that. Is there information on the nature of the veil? Since most Shadowrun magic is to a certain degree based on real-life physics, there has to be some source keeping the barrier up. My current thought is to arrange sabotage act from within Tibet to lower or weaken the barrier, which would leave Tibet more or less open to the forces of the warlord (early brainstorming right now), making it the runners' task to prevent that (since there is more than one party interested in keeping the status quo, finding a johnson wouldn't be too hard). Also, I do not have Dragons of the 6th World and for some time will have no opportunity to buy it, so I will ask this: would it be in Lung's interest to turn Tibet Chinese again? All information I have on him is from Awakened Lands where he occupied Tai Shan to keep the temples from being destroyed or claimed by the warlords. tbd |
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Jan 9 2004, 03:11 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,952 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Unless you alter things somewhat I don't think that would work. This isn't a barrier that people occasionally get allowed to pass through; I believe the only person who has been confirmed to have entered Tibet since the barrier went up is Aneki, and he did it via an item that Dunkie left him, so it was definitely in the "extraordinary measures" catagory. You can't slip an agent in, and you can't subvert anyone on the inside because you can't communicate with them.
Correct me if I'm wrong about the lack of people passing through the barrier. ~J |
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Jan 9 2004, 03:22 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
If Tibet's veil is like Tir na nOg's...then it would be about on the level of susained nigh-Ghost Dance level magic. You could try hitting it with a FAB bomb, but anything less than that would be a waste of time, methinks.
Lung is currently working on gaining China under his rule and dealing with Ryumyo. While he might like to have Tibet, it would be ill-advised of him to attack a place that can erect a ward of that magnitude (Which begs the question of who is in Tibet, natch.) |
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Jan 9 2004, 09:22 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Where did these guys get the mojo to throw up a ward on par w/ the Viel?
And why doesn't TT have one, now that I think about it? |
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Jan 9 2004, 09:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
Because Tir Tangier is the wannabe elf nation, and Tir Na Nog is the real one :)
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Jan 9 2004, 09:28 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
:rotfl: Do they know that? :D |
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Jan 9 2004, 09:33 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,952 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Tir Tangiers? ;)
~J |
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Jan 9 2004, 09:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
It's so lame I can't even remember its name!
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Jan 9 2004, 09:56 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Tir Tairngire was working on "The Great Ward." Maybe they tried to cast it from Crater Lake during the Year of the Comet and drained the batteries! :P
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Jan 9 2004, 09:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 24-November 02 Member No.: 3,638 |
Harly claims they are working on one, in the TT book. He says to Aegis "Ask how progress goes concerning the Great Ward," or something along those lines. My theory is, they know that such a working is dangerous for similar reasons that the GGD was dangerous and don't want to throw around such heavy mojo when they don't really need to yet. As such, in their eyes it's TNN that's being irresponsible... But then, our game takes place in TT, so we don't have the highest opinions of our elven cousins across the pond... ;) edit: Damn it, AH slipped in while I was typing. |
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Jan 9 2004, 10:02 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
SOlly CHolly.
If it makes anyone interested, the Veil around Tir na nOg does create a bit of a spike. The high-muckety-muck elves don't care because the Veil will protect them from most of the Horrors anyways. Or so Aina said. |
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Jan 9 2004, 10:03 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Thanks. What about the Tibetians and thier mojo? (sigh) More IEs or is some dragon pulling thier strings?
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Jan 9 2004, 10:18 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Who says it isn't the Tibetans or something else entirely rather than the usual suspects? :evil:
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Jan 9 2004, 10:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
Haven't you seen those monk dudes? They're fucking madmen, they can boil water by envisioning fire and create the equivalent of a small nuclear explosion using only their fist and your face. They can put up two veils if they want, fine by me.
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Jan 9 2004, 11:06 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Oh so close yet so far. :) There's quite a few more than just the original five that were mentioned in the main book. Canon provinces/warlord states that we know about so far include Hong Kong- Wuxing and the PPG own the place or are getting on to it, the Canton Confederation, Imperial Kingdom of Beijing, Macao- mercenary central for Asia, Gansu- Aztechnology owns the space launch centre here, Xinjiang- big dusty place that's radioactive in parts and home of a respectable part of the Gobi desert, Guangxi- part of the smuggling pipeline from Macao into/out of the warlord states, Henan- run by a bunch of Communists, Shaanxi- got invaded and taken over by the Henan Communists, Shandong- fairly industrialised province and home to the Ta'i Shan mountains where Lung's set up shop.
As Synner said, who's to say that Buddhism isn't just responsible? All those monks together, perhaps they performed a sort of Eastern Ghost Dance. Place is so remote and with a lot of ancient sites I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't stumble across some very old ED era knowledge. Ooo, now there's an idea. IIRC in ED there was a way of re-Naming a person who was head of a magical group so that they were all kind of linked together and the leaders magical power got a boost. It's mentioned in Cybertech. Now if you figure the Dalai Lama as both head a theocracy that runs the place plus a major religion as well... Then you'd be cooking with gas. And as the nasty thought of the day, are they blocked off from both the astral and the metaplanes? Could the bugs visit the place? Completely blocked off from the outside world, the could do a mass invasion/investing as it were mostly undisturbed. Then the barriers come down and out come the hordes. And as a side note, in my games the magical barrier also surreounded most of what is today Qinghai province since that used to be part of Tibet before the Chinese broke off a large part of Tibet and added it to Qinghai AFAIK. |
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Jan 9 2004, 11:20 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,035 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Anahiem, CA Member No.: 100 |
Does anyone know how Aneki's glove worked? It allowed him in, sure, but how did it do that? Perhaps he would be able to take someone else in with him? Maybe one of the Warlords have the glove stolen (perhaps that could be a fun Shadowrun all to itself) and then uses it to invade Tibet. Or maybe has some high grade mages figure out how to make more of the gloves. Who knows? I'm just brainstorming.
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Jan 10 2004, 12:28 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Just because it's called "THe Seal of Green GLoves" doesn't mean it's an actual pair of gloves.
Likewise, I'm sure there's more than enoguh mojo in TIbet to create a Veil, with our without an IE. |
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Jan 10 2004, 12:41 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,035 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Anahiem, CA Member No.: 100 |
Now you are just nit-picking, oh wait, I forgot who I was talking to ;)
Anyhow, it doesn't make a difference if its a glove or anything else, my ideas and questions still stand. |
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