Matrix Damage |
Matrix Damage |
Feb 27 2009, 09:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 144 Joined: 18-November 08 Member No.: 16,609 |
Do boxes on the Matrix condition monitor impose a penalty on matrix actions? For example, would 6 boxes of matrix damage force a -2 dice pool penalty on all matrix actions until the icon was repaired?
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Feb 27 2009, 09:19 AM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
Matrix damage results in the usual modifiers (for matrix actions). (Main Book, (German) pg. 231)
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Feb 27 2009, 10:35 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
interestingly, the english version is not as clear (nor is it cleaned up in the errata). the only indication that there are matrix wound effects are in the combat example sidebar where the black ic is stated to have a -1 modifier thanks to damage taken.
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Jul 14 2009, 03:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 13-July 02 From: Waltham, MA Member No.: 2,969 |
I've been putting together a somewhat automated character sheet, and ran into the Matrix Damage question, myself. I'd always assumed that damage to the Matrix Condition Monitor resulted in modifiers, but when I went looking for a rule on the matter, no dice. A similar confusion exists with vehicle damage. Too bad my German is too rusty to reference that edition. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
What made me dig into this was trying to figure out if Stun/Physical damage in the meat world effects VR actions. There are reasonable arguments for just about every combination (stun only, phys only, both, none). As a GM, I'd say both, but as a player I'd probably go for stun only. Any thoughts? Am I missing something in the rules? |
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Jul 14 2009, 12:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Orlando Member No.: 4,644 |
Can a Technomancer die in the Matrix? I do not have my books on me at work, but I recall reading that all damage to a TM in the Matrix is stun as they are physically there. Is there anyway to do physical damage to the TM?
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Jul 14 2009, 12:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 120 Joined: 13-July 02 From: Waltham, MA Member No.: 2,969 |
Technomancers can take physical damage in VR, via Black Hammer programs, just like regular hackers. In fact, they are more vulnerable. A regular hacker will only take stun damage from Black Hammer utilities if they operate in cold sim mode. Technomancers in VR are always in hot mode, so are always vulnerable to Black Hammer.
In AR, you can only take matrix damage, and Black Hammer and Blackout have no effect. Bullets still work though. |
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Jul 14 2009, 12:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 25-September 06 Member No.: 9,467 |
TMs can definitely die in the matrix, as can normal hackers if Black Ice is involved. However, if you are referring to a TM taking enough non black ice damage to fill their stun, then overflow into physical, yes this can happen too. Fortunately most TMs will pass out when that stun track gets full, so they don't really risk it often. Unless your TM has some way of staying conscious when his stun track gets full (there's cyberware that can do that), or he takes enough damage to fill his stun track, then fill his physical in one shot.
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Jul 14 2009, 11:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Orlando Member No.: 4,644 |
Pg. 239 SR4a
QUOTE Technomanc ers and Condition Monitors Since a technomancer’s Living Persona is generated by his brain, technomancers do not have a separate Matrix Condition Monitor. Instead, they use their own Stun and Physical Condition Monitors. This means that any damage a technomancer takes in the real world will impede his Matrix abilities, and vice versa. Matrix damage is treated as Stun damage to a technomancer. If a technomancer is knocked unconscious, his Living Persona crashes. emphasis mine So according to this even Black IC does not deal physical damage only Stun. So once his stun meter is filled he passes out and his LP crashes thus disconnecting him from the matrix. Black IC has no way of keeping him online to deal further damage by holding his connection open. |
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Jul 15 2009, 12:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 269 Joined: 25-September 06 Member No.: 9,467 |
Pg. 239 SR4a emphasis mine So according to this even Black IC does not deal physical damage only Stun. So once his stun meter is filled he passes out and his LP crashes thus disconnecting him from the matrix. Black IC has no way of keeping him online to deal further damage by holding his connection open. I meant the TM could use something to stay conscious and connected, like a pain regulator, and thus continue to take stun damage, overflowing into his physical. However, if you read up on black ice you'll see that it doesn't deal "Matrix Damage" so TMs don't convert it to stun. They still take physical from Black Ice |
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Jul 15 2009, 12:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 317 Joined: 7-June 09 From: Scotland Member No.: 17,249 |
Pg. 239 SR4a emphasis mine So according to this even Black IC does not deal physical damage only Stun. So once his stun meter is filled he passes out and his LP crashes thus disconnecting him from the matrix. Black IC has no way of keeping him online to deal further damage by holding his connection open. QUOTE Consciousness While sleeping, technomancers may decide to stay connected to the Matrix—for example, to receive messages or data from a sprite that was sent on a remote task (p. 235, SR4)—though it makes them vulnerable to counterhacks by another technomancer. At the gamemaster’s discretion, an attack or other notable Matrix activity may awaken the sleeping technomancer. If at any time the technomancer falls unconscious, either in the Matrix or in the meat world, the living persona shuts down just as if someone had switched a commlink. The technomancer will have to reboot per normal rules. Only Black IC attacks have been shown to be able to trap the technomancer online while unconscious (p. 231, SR4). Black IC keeps the connection of an unconscious Technomancer open. Technomancers can most definitely die in the Matrix. |
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Jul 15 2009, 12:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Orlando Member No.: 4,644 |
Sweet
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