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> Rules for Climbing along GlassWall, where are they or ahve you made one?
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post Jan 10 2004, 10:13 PM
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SR2 (IIRC) did have table for climbing along glass wall.
i cant find those climbing rules anymore.

so what would be the modifiers and TN for climbing a glasswall?
and what about if you have suctioncup in every hand, elbows, knees and feets?
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post Jan 10 2004, 10:20 PM
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It would probably be impossible without suckers, unless you're just rapelling down it, or something.
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post Jan 10 2004, 10:25 PM
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yes, we also came to conclusion that without suckers it would have TN's like 24, but what about when you got them? 4?

we are fliping trough books and pages but can't find any rules.
so are we jsut blind or what?
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post Jan 10 2004, 10:28 PM
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Industrial strength suction cups to support a metahuman's weight and a minimal amount of tools?

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post Jan 10 2004, 10:35 PM
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what avail and price would they have then? 6/24?
and how much would one suction support? 25kg?
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:00 PM
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Why climb a glass wall when you can use a diamond glasscutter and walk through, then take the elevator or stairs?
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:01 PM
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The larger the suction cup, the greater the air pressure holding it against the glass and the greater the weight that can be held.

Here are some rated at 250 kg (550 lbs) per suction cup, they appear to have about 200 sq. inches of surface area and conform to the surface so it doesn't have to be glass-smooth. Link
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:02 PM
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Wait...my physics teacher had these weird lever operated suction cups that were so powerful, I could hang from the ceiling with two. And I think I weighed about 130 back then...and they were pretty small and weighed like nothing.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE (Voorhees)
Why climb a glass wall when you can use a diamond glasscutter and walk through, then take the elevator or stairs?

My uncle (who owns a glass company and is a himself a glazier) always laughs when someone uses a glass cutter on TV. They make the scratch and... somehow the glass cuts itself magically.

The scratch is step one, then you have to apply force to the other side of the scratch to open a cut. Using glass cutters when you only have access to one side of the glass doesn't work. :)
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:17 PM
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Hmm. Instead of pushing from the other side: Wouldn't a sucker on the side the scratch was made on also work?
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:17 PM
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But...in the 2060s....

(You could figure where I'm going with that)
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (Voorhees)
But...in the 2060s....

(You could figure where I'm going with that)

... They would have hot elf chicks?

Sorry: I'm dumb. Where were you going with that?
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE (Zazen)
Using glass cutters when you only have access to one side of the glass doesn't work.

I can tell you for a fact from first-hand experience that it does indeed work. As was stated, you just need some form of suction applied to the same side of the glass as you etch with the glass-cutter.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:25 PM
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QUOTE (Lilt)
QUOTE (Voorhees @ Jan 10 2004, 11:17 PM)
But...in the 2060s....

(You could figure where I'm going with that)

... They would have hot elf chicks?

Sorry: I'm dumb. Where were you going with that?

In 2060 they might be able to manufacture suction cups that could support a (meta)human's bodyweight.

I think.

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post Jan 10 2004, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (Lilt)
Hmm. Instead of pushing from the other side: Wouldn't a sucker on the side the scratch was made on also work?

I asked him that and he said no. I don't know if it's because it won't have any effect, because the glass would shatter, or because of some other problem.


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But...in the 2060s....


Yeah, I know. Using an eye laser would be my choice just for the cool factor :cyber:
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (Zazen @ Jan 11 2004, 10:11 AM)
Using glass cutters when you only have access to one side of the glass doesn't work.

I can tell you for a fact from first-hand experience that it does indeed work. As was stated, you just need some form of suction applied to the same side of the glass as you etch with the glass-cutter.

Maybe I'll bring this up with him again, then.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:30 PM
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Man you guys are dense. Did you all fall off the 'Not Getting My Jokes Tree' that everyone seems to have taking a nosedive from?

In the 2060s, you could probably have something that would easily cut through glass, even if you only have access to one side. And yes, there would be hot elf chicks.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (Siege)
In 2060 they might be able to manufacture suction cups that could support a (meta)human's bodyweight.

One would think so, but then again one would also think they could make Cyber-magnets that could support the person in which they were implanted by then too. :D
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:32 PM
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They already have magnets that can support a person. They're not that big either. Its all game balance.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (Fortune)
QUOTE (Siege @ Jan 11 2004, 10:25 AM)
In 2060 they might be able to manufacture suction cups that could support a (meta)human's bodyweight.

One would think so, but then again one would also think they could make Cyber-magnets that could support the person in which they were implanted by then too. :D

Check Cybertech for the cyberhand-magnet. :grinbig:

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post Jan 10 2004, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE (Voorhees @ Jan 11 2004, 10:32 AM)
Its all game balance.

Just don't try balancing using those implants. ;)

Siege: To what do you think I was referring if it wasn't the cyber from Cybertechnology? Check their weight allowance.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:37 PM
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Theres a hand magnet system in M&M...
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:39 PM
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I don't even remember the mechanic -- I just remember the color blurb about someone riding an AV out. :grin:

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post Jan 10 2004, 11:40 PM
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Which, if I recall correctly still will not really hold up the average shadowrunner. I never use them, so I may be mistaken, but I distinctly remember a few people bitching about it on more than one occasion.

Edit: Each Magnet system adds +4 to the users Strength for the purposes of clinging to metal objects. If they had left it at that, it would be fine. However, it goes on to state that each limb can hold only one system, and each limb system can support 25 kg on it's own, explaining that a person weighing 75 kg would need to implant 3 systems. In my experience, most people loaded with cyber (ie. those who would be interested in this relatively non-Essense-friendly ware) tend to weigh more than 100 kg.
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post Jan 10 2004, 11:52 PM
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I have a thief who has two of them, their rated at 25kg each. So no, they won hold up a Shadowrunner if you just have two of them, but if you had hands and feet, then you could get 100kg wich is like a 180 pounds I think, so you could hold up a small runner.

Heres my guess on the TN.

Athletics test with a TN of 8 to climb the building. I would alos have them do a body test with a tn of 6 every four floors, why? Because they are climbing up a wall with only their arms and legs to support them, very hard.
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