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post Mar 19 2009, 06:07 PM
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Since drain is determined first by F/2, and now by +1/net hit...raising the force by 2 gets twice the result a spellcasting success does, for the same amount of drain.
And even better, resistance is relatively unimportant, as long as you get at least one more hit than the target.

So if you want to do 10 stun damage to someone, you can:

cast a force 5 stunbolt and hope for 5 successes and resist F/2-1+1/net hit = 7S drain,
or
cast a force 9 stunbolt, use one net hit, and resist 5P drain. Same damage, 2 less drain to resist.


Somehow, I don't think this is what they were going for.
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- Mr. Unpronounceable   The new drain mechanic encourages overcasting!   Mar 19 2009, 06:07 PM
- - Muspellsheimr   This has been brought up numerous times. Synner (...   Mar 19 2009, 06:12 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 19 2009, 06...   Mar 19 2009, 06:13 PM
- - Browncoatone   Well, do remember that 7S is approaching a migrain...   Mar 19 2009, 06:17 PM
- - Mikado   Reminds me what I told my GM. My character has a m...   Mar 19 2009, 06:18 PM
- - ornot   There is a solution. Don't permit mages to ch...   Mar 19 2009, 06:19 PM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (ornot @ Mar 20 2009, 03:19 AM) The...   Mar 19 2009, 06:22 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (ornot @ Mar 19 2009, 07:19 PM) If ...   Mar 19 2009, 06:28 PM
|- - ornot   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Mar 19 2009, 06...   Mar 19 2009, 07:13 PM
- - Browncoatone   Though I can see your point Ornot, I just can...   Mar 19 2009, 06:23 PM
- - Raizer   First, it is my opinion that the reason for the ch...   Mar 19 2009, 07:05 PM
|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Raizer @ Mar 19 2009, 08:05 PM) Fi...   Mar 19 2009, 07:11 PM
- - Draco18s   His point is that normal casting is wild and dange...   Mar 19 2009, 07:18 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Bingo!   Mar 19 2009, 07:19 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE It is also not about overcasting either beca...   Mar 20 2009, 02:15 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 19 2009, 09:15 PM) Some...   Mar 20 2009, 03:33 AM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (Draco18)What made ICS better over DCS was t...   Mar 20 2009, 04:52 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 19 2009, 11:52 PM) ...   Mar 20 2009, 05:04 AM
||- - The Mack   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 20 2009, 02:04 PM) ...   Mar 20 2009, 07:45 AM
|- - Malachi   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 20 2009, 12:52 AM) ...   Mar 20 2009, 04:16 PM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (Malachi @ Mar 21 2009, 01:16 AM) I...   Mar 20 2009, 04:25 PM
- - Malachi   There are a couple easy ways to make the mechanic ...   Mar 20 2009, 04:10 AM
- - knasser   I have a fix that not everyone may like, but it wo...   Mar 20 2009, 09:48 AM
|- - paws2sky   QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 20 2009, 04:48 AM) I...   Mar 20 2009, 07:10 PM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (paws2sky @ Mar 21 2009, 04:10 AM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 10:42 AM
|- - Ryu   The Ram spells got more useful, since the slightly...   Mar 24 2009, 11:08 AM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (Ryu @ Mar 24 2009, 08:08 PM) The R...   Mar 24 2009, 11:14 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 12:14 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 12:11 PM
|- - Blade   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 12:14 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 12:47 PM
|- - Ryu   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 12:14 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 05:00 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   This does not help at all with the new drain mecha...   Mar 20 2009, 10:11 AM
|- - knasser   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 20 2009, 10:11 A...   Mar 20 2009, 10:27 AM
- - Muspellsheimr   I still think the best fix is to simply remove the...   Mar 20 2009, 10:21 AM
- - Angier   They were always best served by overcasting DCS. E...   Mar 20 2009, 10:51 AM
- - greylotus   where is this new drain mechanic posted anyway   Mar 20 2009, 12:16 PM
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|- - paws2sky   QUOTE (Marduc @ Mar 24 2009, 06:39 AM) Wh...   Mar 24 2009, 12:59 PM
||- - The Mack   QUOTE (paws2sky @ Mar 24 2009, 09:59 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 01:32 PM
|||- - paws2sky   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 09:32 AM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 01:46 PM
||- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (paws2sky @ Mar 24 2009, 01:59 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 01:32 PM
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|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Malachi @ Mar 24 2009, 04:05 PM) I...   Mar 24 2009, 04:00 PM
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|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 24 2009, 04:00 P...   Mar 24 2009, 04:40 PM
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- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Hell, if all they wanted to do was discourage dire...   Mar 24 2009, 04:39 PM
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|- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 04:52 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 04:59 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 05:52 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 05:05 PM
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|- - Ryu   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 24 2009, 06:32 PM) ...   Mar 24 2009, 07:04 PM
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- - The Mack   I'm not sure if that was directed at me. I to...   Mar 24 2009, 06:12 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Nah - it was a responce to Namelessjoe's doom-...   Mar 24 2009, 06:16 PM
- - Neraph   ... Or it encourages Called Shot (-4 dicepool, +4 ...   Mar 26 2009, 04:44 PM
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|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 26 2009, 12:35 P...   Mar 27 2009, 03:03 PM
- - Warlordtheft   Just thinking and posting at the same time. Danger...   Mar 27 2009, 02:24 AM
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|- - Warlordtheft   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 26 2009, 10:45 PM) ...   Mar 27 2009, 05:01 PM
- - Cain   QUOTE 1 F10 spell results in target death, mage ta...   Mar 27 2009, 07:31 AM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Cain @ Mar 27 2009, 03:31 AM) Wron...   Mar 27 2009, 10:23 AM
- - Angier   Nope. Reread Cain's statement. "You can u...   Mar 27 2009, 10:31 AM
- - Medicineman   hmmmmm, Ok so presuming after the Test there are s...   Mar 27 2009, 10:41 AM
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|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 27 2009, 12:31 P...   Mar 27 2009, 12:24 PM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (The Jopp @ Mar 27 2009, 09:24 PM) ...   Mar 27 2009, 02:18 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (The Mack @ Mar 27 2009, 03:18 PM) ...   Mar 27 2009, 02:50 PM
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|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Medicineman @ Mar 27 2009, 01:00 P...   Mar 27 2009, 12:14 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Great another way to nerf indirect combat spells.   Mar 27 2009, 12:42 PM
|- - The Jopp   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 27 2009, 01:42 P...   Mar 27 2009, 12:55 PM
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|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 27 2009, 07:25 A...   Mar 27 2009, 03:26 PM
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|- - suppenhuhn   QUOTE (Neraph @ Mar 27 2009, 04:05 PM) @ ...   Mar 27 2009, 03:27 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (suppenhuhn @ Mar 27 2009, 11:27 AM...   Mar 27 2009, 05:05 PM
- - Angier   The direct combat spells affect the target from wi...   Mar 27 2009, 03:08 PM
|- - Neraph   QUOTE (Angier @ Mar 27 2009, 10:08 AM) Th...   Mar 27 2009, 03:09 PM
|- - The Mack   QUOTE (Neraph @ Mar 28 2009, 12:09 AM) I ...   Mar 27 2009, 06:16 PM
|- - The Mack   EDIT: Made a mistake.   Mar 27 2009, 06:17 PM
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- - Neraph   One of the examples of Touch Only Attack state spe...   Mar 28 2009, 04:37 PM
|- - Mikado   QUOTE (Neraph @ Mar 28 2009, 11:37 AM) On...   Mar 28 2009, 07:09 PM
- - Angier   You can't. That's why it is called "C...   Mar 28 2009, 08:15 PM
- - Mikado   QUOTE (Angier @ Mar 28 2009, 04:15 PM) Yo...   Mar 28 2009, 11:40 PM


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