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darthmord
post Apr 16 2009, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (Adam @ Apr 15 2009, 11:56 PM) *
We're working on getting the remaining OOP books online. The original plan for getting them scanned and OCRed wasn't working out for a couple reasons, but we have a new arrangement that, once the ball gets fully rolling, should wrap everything up quite neatly.


Please expedite this! I'm willing to let the money burn a hole in my pocket to re-obtain a bunch of items that I lost in a house fire (1st printing of the old Street Samurai Catalog, non-redacted version along with a bunch of 1st & 2nd edition books).
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post Apr 16 2009, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE (darthmord @ Apr 16 2009, 01:53 PM) *
Please expedite this! I'm willing to let the money burn a hole in my pocket to re-obtain a bunch of items that I lost in a house fire (1st printing of the old Street Samurai Catalog, non-redacted version along with a bunch of 1st & 2nd edition books).

Funny story, there are actually three distinct versions of the Street Samurai Catalog printed in English.
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post Apr 16 2009, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Apr 16 2009, 02:00 PM) *
Funny story, there are actually three distinct versions of the Street Samurai Catalog printed in English.

Do tell. I have the 1st ed. and the censored 2nd ed. editions, what's the third?
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post Apr 17 2009, 03:30 AM
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There's the original gray-cover 1st edition SSC (1989, complete) and then there are two black-cover revised-for-2nd edition SSCs (1992, no Firepower™ ammo or IPE grenades).

The difference in the latter is how the expurgated items are concealed. One version has huge black letters saying:
BANNED!
THIS ITEM
PURGED IN SHADOWRUN II!

Which completely conceals the artwork, stats, shadowcomments, everything on the page.

The second, and I believe rarer, version has a solid black box concealing the stats/shadowtalk area, with the same text as above (though not sized), leaving the artwork for the entries visible.

Both of the revised copies are noted as "Corrected third printing." so I honestly don't know why the variation. 's a mystery.
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post Apr 17 2009, 04:34 AM
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I'm surprised no one jumped on this. This comes from Velveeta Cheese, a brand over here in America.


.....I've never heard that one, and I live near a Kraft factory.

QUOTE (Ancient History @ Apr 16 2009, 10:30 PM) *
There's the original gray-cover 1st edition SSC (1989, complete) and then there are two black-cover revised-for-2nd edition SSCs (1992, no Firepower™ ammo or IPE grenades).

The difference in the latter is how the expurgated items are concealed. One version has huge black letters saying:
BANNED!
THIS ITEM
PURGED IN SHADOWRUN II!


I want one of these now.

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post Apr 17 2009, 06:20 AM
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Man, I used to have 3. I thought everyone had this copy...?
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post Apr 17 2009, 09:14 AM
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OK, new Low-Point, Shadowrun censoring frigging equipment? O.o
And then coming up with Mr.Dong and PamelA 2070?
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post Apr 17 2009, 10:51 AM
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I have a copy with the BANNED! but I didn't know about the third printing. Huh.

IIRC, wasn't it banned because they'd made that stuff obselete with the 2nd ed corebook? Like, they'd changed the damage code or something?
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post Apr 17 2009, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Apr 17 2009, 12:51 PM) *
I have a copy with the BANNED! but I didn't know about the third printing. Huh.

Neither did I, and I thought I had everything for Shadowrun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Apr 17 2009, 12:51 PM) *
IIRC, wasn't it banned because they'd made that stuff obselete with the 2nd ed corebook? Like, they'd changed the damage code or something?

One of the items banned was FirePower ammo, which upped Heavy Pistol damage from 4M2 to 6M2 (IIRC), but with SR2 all heavy pistol damage was now 9M, and there was no need for FirePower ammo.

Another was a special trigger, so pistols could shoot twich for each action. But with SR2 free, simple and complex actions was introduced, and since it was a simple action to shoot a pistol, the special trigger was not needed any more.

I can't remember what the last item was.

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post Apr 17 2009, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Apr 16 2009, 10:30 PM) *
There's the original gray-cover 1st edition SSC (1989, complete) and then there are two black-cover revised-for-2nd edition SSCs (1992, no Firepower™ ammo or IPE grenades).

The difference in the latter is how the expurgated items are concealed. One version has huge black letters saying:
BANNED!
THIS ITEM
PURGED IN SHADOWRUN II!

Which completely conceals the artwork, stats, shadowcomments, everything on the page.

The second, and I believe rarer, version has a solid black box concealing the stats/shadowtalk area, with the same text as above (though not sized), leaving the artwork for the entries visible.

Both of the revised copies are noted as "Corrected third printing." so I honestly don't know why the variation. 's a mystery.


Curiosity got the better of me. Items in the SS Catalog that were banned:

Firepower ammo
Expanded clips
IPE Grenades

All were dropped in some part to a change the damage codes. In the change from 1st to 2nd the clips became the standard so it was duplicative .

The reactive trigger was in the comments on the APII, in the SR2, the entire comment was removed.
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post Apr 18 2009, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Apr 17 2009, 05:30 AM) *
There's the original gray-cover 1st edition SSC (1989, complete) and then there are two black-cover revised-for-2nd edition SSCs (1992, no Firepower™ ammo or IPE grenades).

The difference in the latter is how the expurgated items are concealed. One version has huge black letters saying:
BANNED!
THIS ITEM
PURGED IN SHADOWRUN II!

Which completely conceals the artwork, stats, shadowcomments, everything on the page.

The second, and I believe rarer, version has a solid black box concealing the stats/shadowtalk area, with the same text as above (though not sized), leaving the artwork for the entries visible.
Interesting - the German Strassensamurai-Katalog (1993) is a mixture of those: It has the 1st Edition grey cover with the first 2nd Edition censoring option. The items are printed over with
STOP!
GEGENSTAND
IN SHADOWRUN II
GESTRICHEN

with text and artwork still partially visible in the background.
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post Apr 18 2009, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ Apr 18 2009, 01:59 AM) *
IPE Grenades
IPE grenades were later re-introduced simply as grenades with higher damage codes in Fields of Fire (alongside the "works the same but does more damage" Ex-Explosive ammo).
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post Apr 18 2009, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (MYST1C @ Apr 18 2009, 08:39 AM) *
Interesting - the German Strassensamurai-Katalog (1993) is a mixture of those: It has the 1st Edition grey cover with the first 2nd Edition censoring option. The items are printed over with
STOP!
GEGENSTAND
IN SHADOWRUN II
GESTRICHEN

with text and artwork still partially visible in the background.

Yeah, as far as an all time low goes, that should still qualify. "See? This could have been another piece of gear you could actually have used." Thanks not for reminding me.
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