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> Gebt mir Panzer!, Where are the Tanks?
Tymeaus Jalynsfe...
post Apr 26 2009, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 25 2009, 08:56 PM) *
Ramp shaped barrier. Lift and topple. No need to beat OR.



Ah Yes... the Non-Damaging solution... and How Very True too...
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post Apr 26 2009, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE (toturi @ Apr 25 2009, 08:56 PM) *
Ramp shaped barrier. Lift and topple. No need to beat OR.


this. MBTs, (modern ones, anyway) are designed against extremely specific threats, namely other MBTs or vehicles trying to shoot holes in them with armor-piercing rounds, from a frontal aspect. this means they are extremely vulnerable to rear shots or track damage.

for example:

During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoilless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine. After repeated attempts to extinguish the fire, the decision was made to destroy or remove any sensitive equipment.

also:

During the major combat operations in Iraq, Abrams crew members were lost when one tank of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division, and US Marine Corps troops, drove onto a bridge. The bridge collapsed, dropping the tank into the Euphrates River, where four Marines drowned.

More here, including several M1A2s disabled by RPG7s, which is a weapon that predates the Abrams by 20 years. in the technological race, Armor never wins.


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post Apr 26 2009, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (Fix-it @ Apr 25 2009, 09:05 PM) *
this. MBTs, (modern ones, anyway) are designed against extremely specific threats, namely other MBTs or vehicles trying to shoot holes in them with armor-piercing rounds, from a frontal aspect. this means they are extremely vulnerable to rear shots or track damage.

for example:

During an early attack on Baghdad, one M1A1 was disabled by a recoilless rifle round that had penetrated the rear engine housing, and punctured a hole in the right rear fuel cell, causing fuel to leak onto the hot turbine engine. After repeated attempts to extinguish the fire, the decision was made to destroy or remove any sensitive equipment.

also:

During the major combat operations in Iraq, Abrams crew members were lost when one tank of the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division, and US Marine Corps troops, drove onto a bridge. The bridge collapsed, dropping the tank into the Euphrates River, where four Marines drowned.

More here, including several M1A2s disabled by RPG7s, which is a weapon that predates the Abrams by 20 years. in the technological race, Armor never wins.


Also Very Very True
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post Apr 26 2009, 05:22 AM
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note btw that there is disabled, and there is destroyed.

take out a tanks threads during a assault, and its disabled, and useless for said assault.

but come a quiet period, said tank can have its thread refitted and brought back into fighting.

im not sure if there are more then a few things that can outright destroy a tank...
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post Apr 26 2009, 07:04 AM
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Well, just remember folks, the Abrams tank was built to fight the Russian T80 series in Germany while it was close to large supply centers and away from major cities. This whole urban combat thing isnt its style (nor should it be, as a MBT).

But yes, you can stop it from moving, but then you still have a 120mm cannon and 2 HMGs to worry about.
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post Apr 26 2009, 07:49 AM
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The upgraded Zil-66 AA weapons platforms fitted with tires is highly effective for peace enforcement operations in an urban environment. The Swedish Bofors grenade machinegun once vehicle mounted is highly effective in both close combat and infantry support roles.
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