Viva La Revolucion: the New Revolutionaries OOC, Dice rolls an' drek Options

[Zombayz]

Hey guys, it's time to start the War. Dice rolls will be be done by me, given someone doesn't find something akin to Invisible Castle, without the need to pay some cash(of which I have none) to be able to record rolld for a campaign.

I hope you all have fun, and Odin gefa du rada(Odin give you counsel).


Edit: I'd like to note that I'm not going to be providing a whole lot of plot hooks: You're revolutionaries, fight a guerilla war, recruit, or loot and 'liberate' equipment. It's all up to you.

If things start to stagnate, then I'll throw some violence in or make something happen that likely will make running away or further action needed.

[crizh]

Do you need to pay for any of Invisible Castle?

I can run searches on any of the rolls I've made whilst logged in and I don't have to be logged in to do it. I don't think.

Wait, let me check.

Flashbang

[crizh]

Yup, I can search for any Characters rolls, even those that aren't mine, even when I'm logged out.

There's VIP status but it doesn't seem to provide much that is useful.

[Digital Heroin]

IIRC I'm registered on a free account at Invisible and am able to track and save rolls.

Oh, and that post just rolled right out of my brain. Johnny wouldn't stop kicking the nerve cluster which controls my fingers until it finished, and even then he was yelling at me to post more.

[Zombayz]

The Campaign function, which records all rolls for a campaign, requires a VIP account.

[crizh]

Do we really need that?

If we each have a free account does the Campaign thing give any more functionality we need?

On another subject, I posted IC in the recruitment thread before I realized that the IC thread was up, sorry. I suggested that I could have been asked by my Triad friends to do pyro-technics for the concert and that I would have put in 'anti-riot' measures.

Is it OK if I improv' some reason I didn't use them? Perhaps someone above me wanted a riot to happen or the gig was much bigger than I expected and I was actually involved in starting or encouraging the riot?

[Zombayz]

Campaign function makes it so I don't have to hunt out each individual past roll. And sorry but no on the not using pre-prepped explosives.

[crizh]

And sorry but no on the not using pre-prepped explosives.

Um, I'm not really sure what you meant by that...

Is that a no to being involved with the stage show pyro-technics for the gig the riot started at? Or a no to not having tried to stop it once it started?

Thing is, if he had tried to stop it it would have stopped. Everybody would have woken up after half an hour with a screaming headache and no memory of what the Frak had happened.

[Zombayz]

Um, I'm not really sure what you meant by that...

Is that a no to being involved with the stage show pyro-technics for the gig the riot started at? Or a no to not having tried to stop it once it started?

Thing is, if he had tried to stop it it would have stopped. Everybody would have woken up after half an hour with a screaming headache and no memory of what the Frak had happened.

Ahh, I thought you meant still having the pyro material for the show. And if he'd tried to stop it, he likely wouldn't be standing around with the rest of the group. More likely unconcious in the streets somewhere.

[crizh]

Precisely.

I was spit-balling ideas for why I might not have intervened. Perhaps I was asked not to or when I saw the size of the crowd and the passion they displayed I decided to join them and burn down the whole world.

[Zombayz]

Well, Kurt Travis' life just got incredibly complex, so he's being NPC'd until such a time when either

a) His IRL issues go away
b) I finish use his character like a cheap Spanish puta, and he dies horrifically.

For now, he's pretty much your friendly NPC guide on all things Guerilla.

[crizh]

Sorry to hear that.

[Digital Heroin]

As promised earlier, here are Johnny's fleshed out contacts:

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Father O'Rourke - At the end of the end of a cul-de-cac, just off one hundred third street, there sits a battered church nestled in the middle of Little Dublin. The church is overseen by Father O'Rourke, and he is also the steward of one of the largest collection of paperback books left in the city. Johnny's mother was a parishoner of the Father's, and Johnny himself was an alterboy at the church for a time. Though he's fallen out of favor with the Lord, Johnny still enjoys a good relationship with the good Father, one maintained through prison correspondance for the past few years.

Slamm-O - If you ask Johnny and the exhuberant Matrix legend where they met, neither will quite remember details. It was that good a party. Johnny is one of few people who know the hacker both online and in the flesh, and he attributes his brush with celebrity to maintaining the friendship. Even underground legends like to say they know a wanted celebirty, after all. Slamm-O provided Johnny with a much needed vent during his prison years, and the two have maintained good contact, but as time has gone on, this legend has come into his own, and he's not quite the fast friend he used to be with Mr. Molotov.

Anarchist Black Cross - Johnny wasn't born into the Anarchist Black Cross, but he had an Uncle who was a member, the black sheep of the family, the outsider. When Johnny went through his first rebellious phase it was Uncle Rory who he turned to, and who introduced him to the ABC. He wasn't much of a member in good standing until the Punk Rock Riot of '65, but ever since he's been a member of the highest order.

Kiffany Reynolds - Kiffany is an up and coming freelance journalist working the crime beat in Seattle. She's a Redmond born scrapper, as comley an orc as you'll ever meet. Shortly before Johnny's release from prison she came to interview him on the state of Punk and the anniversary of the Riot.

Tiffany Vance - In these fast paced digital times people are bound to get lonely. Even with social networking ever-present in our lives, and it being easy to pick up someones 'hook-up' AR tag, sometimes a woman's too intimidated to meet someone in the flesh right away. Or they're at work all the time, playing receptionist at Horizon's Seattle branch office, and are too exhausted to go out to the clubs at night. Either way, ConDate is where single and lonely ladies look for distant love. Johnny met Tiffany through the sight during his legitimate rec-time Matrix use, and she instantly grew sweet on the bad boy behind bars for speaking his mind image. He's not too sure about her corporate indentured tow-the-line attitude, but she's a hot elf-chick, and he's down with that.

[Zombayz]

Thank you very much DH. IC update incoming soon.

Edit: sorry if my writing isn't up to par: I've got a test in an hour, and I've had a stress headache for four days straight. I'll try to do my best anyways.

[crizh]

If you don't mind halving the Interval to produce half the amount I'll happily go with 5 kilos instead of 10.

I figure in a short time-scale it's better to use micro-charges and improve DV by taking your time over assembly.

To really get bang for buck out of mass you have to start getting into the range of tons. I've been looking at the Bishopsgate and Baltic Exchange blasts today and I think that's the sort of thing a revolutionary ought to work up to....

If I were to go with 30g charges of ETN and add shrapnel to the device, say a drinks can full of washers, a +2 AP grenade with a DV of about 15 to 20P can be knocked up in 5 minutes. Alternatively I could go non-lethal and pack the cans with rubber balls instead in which case I reckon 10 minutes for +6 AP and a DV of 15 to 20S.

I've got 25 blasting caps to hand so I could make 25 pretty nasty grenades in about 3 hours.

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Zombayz, I'll need to buy some tools, can you roll 4D6 for me for starting cash?

[Zombayz]

If you don't mind halving the Interval to produce half the amount I'll happily go with 5 kilos instead of 10.

I figure in a short time-scale it's better to use micro-charges and improve DV by taking your time over assembly.

To really get bang for buck out of mass you have to start getting into the range of tons. I've been looking at the Bishopsgate and Baltic Exchange blasts today and I think that's the sort of thing a revolutionary ought to work up to....

If I were to go with 30g charges of ETN and add shrapnel to the device, say a drinks can full of washers, a +2 AP grenade with a DV of about 15 to 20P can be knocked up in 5 minutes. Alternatively I could go non-lethal and pack the cans with rubber balls instead in which case I reckon 10 minutes for +6 AP and a DV of 15 to 20S.

I've got 25 blasting caps to hand so I could make 25 pretty nasty grenades in about 3 hours.

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Zombayz, I'll need to buy some tools, can you roll 4D6 for me for starting cash?

The charge would be more around 125 grams for a popcan grenade. Don't forget: real frag grenades weigh about 400 grams.
Aaand, as the first roll of the game, my lucky black dice are getting used.

Results are: 6,6,5,3. Holy shit. That's 2000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) anyways.

[crizh]

I'm just feeling my way around the IED rules. For a Rating 6 explosive 30g is the minimum charge to hit a DV of 1. With 125g you would hit a base DV of 2.

I'm happy to try and keep within RL parameters if you would prefer but I'm unfamiliar with what they are.

I'll go back to amusing myself with Thermobaric explosives now...

[Zombayz]

We'll use a bit of both for your explosives. That means you be a bit more dangerous (and get to play around with my real-world expertise for rigging things up), but we can always fall back on the rules as written given both of use are unsure.

[crizh]

I've added Flashbang to my 'Cast of Shadows' entry here and I'm going to add that link to the first post in this thread for safe-keeping.

[Dumori]

Unwyn is going to go with Flash bang and use his guard power on Flashbang while he is dealing with the explosives.

[Zombayz]

Should I roll up your explosives Crizh? By my calculations, it'll take an hour to hit the threshhold for the 5 kilograms of rating 6 explosive(and you'll likely increase the rating by 1), two minutes each for the +2AP grenades, and average damage will range between 3 and 6 depending on how much explosive is used(look in the spoiler)

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Explosives used: Average damage: number of nades
30g: 3P: ~166
125g: 4P: 40
250g: 5P: 20
500g: 6P: 10

Lower the charge, the more nades you can make: it's a question of saturation(or strapping piles of nades together for serious effect, if difficulty throwing), vs having individual nades be slightly more useful.

[crizh]

By all means.

[ Spoiler ]

I'd prefer to err on the side of caution at each step, Dumori's suggestion of using Guard is genius.

I've only got 25 blasting caps so I'd prefer to take my time and make each one count. Take an hour and a half to make the explosive, which is three intervals, and then five intervals each to make the grenades.

For the +4(+6)AP Gel Grenades that would be an interval of 2 minutes and a total of 10 minutes spent on each one. I'll make 16 of them in 2 hours 40 and then move on to more lethal stuff. That will be 8 +2AP Grenades with an interval of 1 min, taking 5 minutes each for a total of 40.

At 125g each that's 3kg of explosive.

Then split what's left into two really big ones with radio detonators. Use +2AP again to make the interval 1 min and take 5 minutes each making them.

That adds up to 5 hours, I think.

All of those IED's have a Threshold of 6 and I'll have 13 Dice or 15 if I have, or can find, decent AR plans to work from.

I'm thinking that if we can crack a Citymaster's Chem' Seal with a big charge that they're not expecting, then I can incapacitate the crew with a splash grenade and we're home free.

[Zombayz]

Unless I'm missing something, you can't take extra intervals to get a higher total. Please, correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Dumori]

If the citymaster is unrewarded then I could drop in and give them a fright I mean I'll be in for only one surprise round and I couldn't take anything with me but I could one use accident to make it crash before the hit. Two use influence on the driver if not rigged so it pulls over and opens its doors. On both counts stun 'nades would work awesomely (if the GM states that rubber balls won't just hurt less (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )
Assume, if you will, Zombayz that Unwyn will use guard a lot on him self for every roll and on the person the plan depends most on a glitch not happening. Also Zombayz if you want I could set up a wiki page like the one I have for fields of fire. http://fieldsoffire.wikidot.com/ or I could just tag this game on to that page. On a side note Unwyn will use accident on the first person to pass him a drink. In a prank style way. Also Unwyn need s to get some connections and a heads up on gang wars and predicted outcomes ect. He needs to get a source of karma.

P.s are we using SR4 or SR4A rules?

[crizh]

Hmmm, I've yet to find any support either way. It would appear that whoever wrote that section of Arsenal had a unique approach to Extended tests.

I can't find any other example where outcome is improved by net hits for an Extended Test. Every other example has outcome improved by increasing the Threshold at the outset.

I have assumed that you can continue to roll because nothing else makes sense.

The Advanced Explosive rules in Arsenal are badly broken if you can't. For example, a single M-67 Fragmentation Grenade contains 180g of Composition B with an RE of 1.35. Using these rules that would have a DV of 2.29 plus net hits. You are going to have to have one hell of a dice pool to get that up to 12P if you stop rolling the instant you exceed the threshold.

Logically someone with 7 net hits and a dicepool of 10 gets the remaining 1 hit necessary to finish at some point during the interval rather than all his hits arriving at the same time at the end of the interval. To accumulate any net hits at all he must take his time and continue to accumulate hits even when he could have just stuck the fuse in and yelled 'finished' at the top of his lungs. (giving everybody else in the room a heart-attack in the process.)

Logically there has to be some sort of limit. I suppose if you plan to use the SR4A BR rules that is built in, or you could cap net hits to Dice Pool or some sort of formula related to mass of charge and Rating of the explosive.

edit- found a quote from Peter Taylor (Synner). He pretty much says that it's up to the GM but implies strongly that the intention of the rules is to allow continuing the test until you have all the hits you want and the limiter is the normal max number of rolls on an Extended Test.

further edit - There is another thread on here, about Breaching and Cutting, where this is mentioned repeatedly and there's not a single mention of having to stop when you reach the threshold. There are a lot of contentious people on DS, I'm sure one of them would have mentioned it if they thought that was the intent of the rules.