The shadowrun stuff you dont get in english Options

[Stahlseele]

You can say it here on cable after a certain time -- could I say fuck on German network TV in the middle of the day? eek.gif

If you haven't heard a "fuck" by the time you had your breakfast in TV, you are watching the wrong shows O.o

Also, there's not all that much Info on the Troll-Kingdom of Black Forest.
I'll try and dig it up somewhere.
For starters, combine Ork Underground in Seattle with the Cascade Ork Smugglers.
then make Trolls the Majority instead of Orks and substitute TROLL MODIFIED HORSES for T-Birds.
That's one of the reasons why German vehicles in Shadowrun are better too.
Because our Horse-Power is better ^^


@mods, sorry for my reaction, but i am a bit allergic concerning that very topic <.< . .

[Uli]

Well, now you're exaggerating a bit. Yes, curses are not stigmatized and blotted out. But our morning TV shows are very timid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Not all of the additional material from national, non-USA publishers is bad of course. Actually I don't know what the French added. It was just FanPro that made a bad impression with many German gamers. But I don't expect Pegasus to make similar mistakes - and so far I am fine with their additions.

[hobgoblin]

you know that things have become strange when national tv's teen aimed show mimics the US *beep* as part of a joke...

[Mäx]

Well, back to the topic of Shadowrun... It actually is a good question whether there are neo nazi groups in the 6th World. There are nazi-like groups all over the place, but they're nearly all racist against imaginary races. Not even the German censors could object to a book that portrays anti-elf or anti-troll racism (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) And defeating an upstart Fourth Reich could actually be a fun plot to run in Shadowrun, if probably a little cliched. I gotta think though, even if they did put a neo nazi group into Shadowrun, they wouldn't give it a whole multipage spread with swastika art and such. Shadowrun has shown more taste than that throughout its long history. I find it hard to imagine that it would be more than a short blurb, which probably wouldn't get banned by the German government.

In Loose Alliances there's a five page writeup of Maderm Facism, including the posterchild of neo nazi terror groups Nationale Aktion.

[Blade]

You can't get any better vilain than Nazis anyway.

There's not much preventing the German/French material to be translated into English. As far as I know, most of SOX's content was written in English. I'm not so sure about the French-only content (such as Marseille in Runner Havens) but since it's written by a translator who's already spent a lot of time translating from English to French, I guess it's not too hard for them to translate the whole chapter to English.

But I guess that it'd be better if you all learned French. This way you could read our Cyber-espace and benefit from everything I've written there... And the girls love it too!

[Stahlseele]

I am very good at the french thing.
i just don't understand the language.

[GreyBrother]

But I guess that it'd be better if you all learned French.

NEVER EVER in this my life will i dare to speak more french than "Je ne parle pas francais. Je parle allemand et anglis Punkt!" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
Sorry, had too much run-ins with people from france who thought that everyone in the world should know the language and that burned me a bit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/twirl.gif)

Dunno about the legalities, but if it would be allowed i can translate the part from Shadows over Europe into english for the benefit of the community. I found it a bit disappointing that there isn't much more content about it and it seemed more like the nation is collapsing.
As far as racism in Shadowrun goes, yesterday in our Shadowrun session my players arrived in vienna and were faced with the famous austrian racism. "You are not human, you are not from austria. You better die or leave. Here, want a job?"

[MKX]

Actually I'm kind of jealous the European crew get some domestic stuff written by and for them.
All I got was Target Awakened Lands and its just all arse-backwards in some areas like for example: Sydney has the roaches, Brisbane has the horrible storms and Melbourne just tries hard to be noticed (but no one does (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) ) the Universal Brotherhood was started in WA in the 1970's and if the Japanacorps moved into Cairns the local yobbo's would shoot them for 'talking funny' if the already non-awakened existing wildlife and Cat5 cyclones didn't tear them a new arsehole fresh off the boat.
But at least they got Adelaide right and no one goes there, which is a pity as its our psychopath capital (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[GreyBrother]

Translated the text from the Helix. Have fun

Trollkönigreich Schwarzwald (Trollkingdom Blackforest)

The Trollkingdom Blackforest is an ADL country and one of the Awakened Lands.

Capital: Freiburg
Size: around 7.500 km²
Residents: 210.000
Trolls: 48%
Orks: 34%
Norms: 11%
Other: 7%

History
After the secession of the Süddeutschen Bund (Southern German Federation) in 2038 started the government with the setup of intern camps for and pogroms against Orks and Trolls. The supressed metas defended themselves with magic. Like in America, the government couldn't, even after using the Force of the MET2000, defeat the mix of magic and guerilla-tactics.

The Trollwars
The resistance was led by a Troll with the covername "Berthold". He lead the rebels to the "Rottweiler Befreiung" on the 28. October 2038. Here they freed the biggest Internation Camp in Svabia and killed all the guards. Three years of skirmishing in the Middle- and High Blackforest followed. Rumors had it that the awakened Nature caused as much casualties as the battles themselves.
In February 2042 the government saw their immediate defeat in the eye. To avoid this, they started a large-scale offensive called "Schwabenstreich". This attack was brutally thrown back. Nature magicians unter Bertholds Command struck back in the April of the same year. Through a series of earthquakes, they shaked up the Rheingraben and the volcanoes of the Eifel and the Kaiserstuhl spew Fire, Lava and Ash. Big parts of Karlsruhe were destroyed and the Neuwieder Becken flooded. As a consequence, Würtemberg let Baden down to wage the war alone. Berthold used the opportunity and declared on the 19. February 2043 officially the Trollkingdom Blackforest. In the february of the following year the Kampfgruppe Pfeiffer appeared to support the Trollkingdom against the svabians, or so it is told.
The battles endet with the demise of the Hunggarten government in Mai 2044 and with 08. May 45 the Trollkingdom became official part of the ADL.
The so called "Trollwars" are a reason for the strained and hostile relationship between svabiany, bavarians and trolls.

Politics
The ADL country is a monarchy with the university town Freiburg as capital and feudal structure. The privilegation of Orks and Trolls in contrast to other demographics is written firmly into the state constitution and lead to the fact that the Trollkingdom isn't well liked in the other ADL countrys and France, although Norms, Elves and Dwarfs enjoy protection of the state. Extraterritorial corporate facilitys are limited to facilitys that existed before the founding of the Kingdom. The main income come mainly from tolls of the transitroutes of the Rheintal between the ADL and Swiss and farming. The country is chronically broke and so the inhabitants are poor. This lead to a small but growing Democracy Movement, which finds many supporters in the traditional liberal Freiburg. Moreover, even some Trolls follow the idea of a "Groß-Baden" where the kingdom includes the Alliance Country Badisch-Pfalz, Karlsruhe and a part of the Elsass - of course without the anti-metahuman and racist goals of the Groß-Badische Kreuzzugsbewegung.

Awakened Land
After the beginning of the 21st century an urbanisation as consequence of the collapsing paper industry began and conquered the Blackforest landscape back. Even today around 80% of the villages in the Middle- and High Blackforest are uninhabitated. After the Awakening started the spread of Nature, many different critter, awakened plants, free spirits and astral phenomena had a chance to make a home here. And that's why the Kingdom counts as an Awakaned Land.

Even in the middle ages the Blackforest was soaked with Legends, fairy tales and myths. But what was just horror stories for children, has now awakened and stalks through the dark Forest. Magicians report of a Backgroundcount from 1 to 4; an unknown number of awakened animals and plants are suspected. Ten percent more free Naturespirits, Ghosts and astral Phenomena than in other ADL Countrys haunt the region. The hoard of the old dragon Kaltenstein is suspected somewhere on the Feldberg.
23 sectors are classified as paranormal Dangerzones.
Many of the myths and legends awakaned, for example "Die schöne Melusine" in the Sollenberger Woods at offenburg and "das Schlossfräulein von Steinen" in the Wiesental.

[walkir]

I for one want to hear a bit more about the German specific stuff (well the troll nation actually) I find this a splendid idea and I would like to hear more about it.

Pegasus (the German publisher) has a license to publish new things, too. One of the product they are planning is a plot line about (changes in) the troll kingdom, especially about the missing king Berthold. The only problem with that is the schedule, there's a big delay in published books as actually getting the license took a lot of time.
After that, there are books about Berlin and the Rhine-Ruhr-Megaplex planned, as they don't really fit into all the other books.

[Larme]

What is a Kampfgruppe Pfeiffer? And svabians?

Anyway, it sounds like a boon to anti-troll racists. The troll kingdom is a total shithole! All the racists are gonna be like, "see, we told you they were inferior, look at how much their only kingdom sucks." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Though I do like the fact that the troll kingdom is a dangerous magical forest. It would be stupid if it were an advanced utopia, or lush verdant paradise like the elven kingdoms. That's not how trolls roll! It's also nice that it doesn't indulge the stereotype of trolls being stupid and violent, and shows that, well they might be slightly too dull to run a prosperous kingdom, it's not some kind of primitive society where everything is decided by thumping people with clubs.

[MJBurrage]

Translated the text from the Helix. Have fun
Trollkönigreich Schwarzwald (Trollkingdom Blackforest)
The Trollkingdom Blackforest is an ADL country and one of the Awakened Lands.

Have you considered posting this as an entry in the Sixth World Wiki?

[GreyBrother]

What is a Kampfgruppe Pfeiffer? And svabians?

Svabians are the natives of Svabia, or Schwaben. My translator told me it was t he correct translation for the region.
Kampfgruppe Pfeiffer is, according to the Helix a battle group which was stationed in southern Württemberg in 1945. It had three infantry- and two paratropper battalions and those soldiers seemed willing to fight 'till the last of them dropped down. When the war ended, they disappeared without a trace with all their weapons and tanks.
Until today there are myths, signs of tank tracks, sights of heavy vehicles which disappear into nebula when you come near them and sound of soldiers working. No researcher could confirm those stories.

Wow, that's quite awesome. Ghost Nazis who fight for the Trollkingdom. Whatever the writer of this smoked, i want something of that too! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

Have you considered posting this as an entry in the Sixth World Wiki?

Nope, it's a rough translation, but if you want you can iron out the grammar and probable spelling errors and do it yourself. I don't claim any copyright on it.

[wusselpompf]

Has anybody ever seen the hungarian SR-Sourcebook or some of the japanese stuff?

im really courious about the contents of these books...

[ravensmuse]

Didn't AH say that there wasn't much changed in the Japanese versions? They were just straight translations?

I know he was talking about them when we were discussing the different versions of the Street Sammy guide.

Thank you for the translation Greybrother. I've heard much about the Troll Kingdom but never seen the original writeup.

[wusselpompf]

well, there ar a couple (five?) books that very japanese-only.

and I own a copy of the jap. SR2-BBB which has nine or so additional pages on japan and neo-tokyo.

[MYST1C]

I join the other Germans in this thread by saying: It really bugs me that German publishers just cannot be satisfied by mere translations.

But it's understandable: There must be some incentive for German players to wait for the translations instead of buying the (usually cheaper) English originals immediately.

[MYST1C]

Quite some people don't even look at the translated books anymore.
Of course, thats "quite some internet people", as I'd wager the silent majority of actual customers not frequenting forums didn't care much either way.

Quite right. Some of the German SR's abominations date back to early SR2 - and some people have been bitching about every German SR product ever since despite never having actually read any of them! You will find equipment that vanished from books years ago or setting details changed/revised years ago still being cited as proof why German SR sucks.
Here at Dumpshock I stumbled upon people bashing German SR based on mere rumors spread by explicit AGS-haters. Once I pointed out errors in argumentation a common answer was "Oh, they changed that? I haven't read a German SR book in years..." or even better "Sorry, I was told it's like that. I don't actually understand German so I've never read it myself...".

[Wesley Street]

Pegasus (the German publisher) has a license to publish new things, too.

This is such a weird practice. I would think permitting non-American publishers the right to create new material (rather than simply translating English into German/French) would result in intellectual property issues. Dark Horse comics have the rights from Kodansha to translate Ghost in the Shell but it doesn't go about creating new GitS comics by American writers.

Obviously I'm not a lawyer.

[ravensmuse]

Well damn Wes, I mean, see, *cough, shuffles feet*, I have this problem with the RIAA and I was kinda hoping...

Okay, so where's our Japanese based posters with willing translations of the Japanese stuff? That should be interesting.

[GreyBrother]

It strikes me to hear that Shadowrun is also translated in Japanese... i mean... okay, until Runners Havens i never knew that there are actual french translations, so it not that of a revelation but... damn. The sixth world really goes around the world... is it translated in Russian as well? Do they have extra materials? That would be kinda cool since i loved the Russia chapter of SoA (and i hope that Runners Havens sports a Wladiwostok chapter)

[Stahlseele]

ARE there wapanese based Players around here? O.o
Girlfriend and a Buddy of mine were there on student exchange and both actually found people to play with.

[Larme]

This is such a weird practice. I would think permitting non-American publishers the right to create new material (rather than simply translating English into German/French) would result in intellectual property issues. Dark Horse comics have the rights from Kodansha to translate Ghost in the Shell but it doesn't go about creating new GitS comics by American writers.

Obviously I'm not a lawyer.

Yeah, actually I heard about a thing with German law and a Warhamer 40k movie. Games Workshop ended up forbidding the 3D movie Damnatus from being shown -- it was created without their permission by some 40k fans, and GW's lawyers believed that, under German law, if they let someone else put their names on the Warhammer 40k product, they would lose all intellectual property rights to the brand.

If that was true in any way though, there's no way the companies that own Shadowrun would be letting the German companies alter it... Maybe the issue with Games Workshop was that the movie was made without their permission, and not based on a before the fact licensing agreement. Or maybe GW's lawyers are just scared/confused/retarded. It seems to me that if they'd been willing to spend a little money on German counsel, they could have created an agreement that wouldn't have forfeited their rights, but when you rely on British counsel to make conclusions about German law, you get a memo that says "I'm skurred, dun do it lul!"

[ravensmuse]

ARE there wapanese based Players around here? O.o
Girlfriend and a Buddy of mine were there on student exchange and both actually found people to play with.

Off the top of my head, Doc Taotsu is stationed in Japan (Okinawa?) and DLN is Japanese, but living in America.

Those are the only two that come to mind.

[walkir]

@Uli: Why should they only translate stuff? What incentive would be there to buy their product? Errata imho don't really count.
and how satisfying is it to take someone else's product, translate it and sell it? And of course: What a waste would it be to only play in the USA, or even only Seattle? SR covers more than a planet, interconnected by high tech. So confining yourself to a single region is just a waste of possibilities. Especially when this would mean leaving out Europe with its diversity, history etc.

Yeah, actually I heard about a thing with German law and a Warhamer 40k movie. Games Workshop ended up forbidding the 3D movie Damnatus from being shown -- it was created without their permission by some 40k fans, and GW's lawyers believed that, under German law, if they let someone else put their names on the Warhammer 40k product, they would lose all intellectual property rights to the brand.

IANAL. But what I gathered from web discussions is this: You have to actively defend your claims on a brand if you do not want to lose it. But this is for certain categories only, so a movie shouldn't create problems with board games/toys/whatever WH40K is officially classified as.
If they protected it as a movie brand, that's another thing alltogether, of course...