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May 20 2009, 11:33 PM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,263 Joined: 4-March 08 From: Blighty Member No.: 15,736 |
You're right. I had somehow managed to confuse Larme with deek - thus believing that Larme had posted within the thread already leading to the conclusion that the statement was merely a reference to the point I had made with an agreement as if to state that it supported an already expressed position.
My apologies, I must be more fastidious. |
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May 21 2009, 03:26 AM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 166 Joined: 8-April 09 From: Columbus, Ohio, USA Member No.: 17,061 |
Triads also aren't likely to be overlooking something like this. You don't get to be a powerhouse crime network like them without being able to think ahead. Considering the decentralized nature of the Triads, there could easily be a cell that runs a prison like this. They are less like a "powerhouse" crime network (Mafia and Yakuza fit this label), and more like a "guerrilla" crime network. This is not to say they are trivial, but they are less likely to have standardized ways of doing things, as each cell has more freedom from oversight. They are the halfwaypoint between street gangs and organized crime. |
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Jun 18 2009, 03:00 AM
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 18-June 09 Member No.: 17,291 |
i just found this post and wanted to add my 2 cents. Im a certified alarm technician in real life, my company also installs access control systems as well as home automation and other low voltage systems, so this is an interesting subject. The two ways a maglock/electric strike can be installed are fail-safe ( the maglock loses power when the system goes down, allowing the door to open) or fail-secure ( the system locks up when the system goes down securing the door). Maglocks are typically, by the way they function, fail-safe. If the magnet isnt energized, it isnt creating a magnetic field and thus isnt securing anything.If the magnet has a local power supply and is attached to a device with logic it can be made to fail-secure. but cutting the power to the magnet will open the door.
One of the access control products we use is very relevant to the discussion. Each control panel or "node" communicates with all the other nodes over IP, and as they ping each other they circulate a copy of the database of users and access PINs. As the mfger reps explained if one of the nodes in the network were to explode, every other node in the network would have a copy of the users and PINs to allow acces to the parts of the building that werent a smoking ruin. So in this real world system the whole network is decentralized, so crashing one node wouldnt affect the devices or door on other nodes. of course if you have admin access you could enter a user name and PIN and it would cascade to all the other nodes giving you access to any door in the facility. Ive done some work in penal facilities, installed a fire alarm in one not too long ago. According to the national fire protection code, whenever a firealarm goes off, every door with access control in the building has to open immediately and stay open as long as the alarm is going off. This doesnt necessarily apply to prisons. The firemarshall i dealt with told me this was sort of a grey area. A fire alarm wont open all the door in a prison, but it will in any other building, unless of course they are paying off the fire marshall to keep their occupancy permit. Also in the case of a prison or jail the jailors all have regular keys to mechanical locks that will open doors even if the access control system goes down. this was all off the top of my head sorry if it was hard to follow |
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Jun 18 2009, 05:33 AM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
We were told by the State FM that we could get permits to not unlock Pediatric and Labor and Delivery units, but it required that you clearly explain why you need this (which would be abduction) and exactly how you will protect the occupants, with a very convincing plan that would be tested regularly by them and by various other agencies. Our internal fire guy had no interest in going down that path, but it's not impossible if you have a very good reason.
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Jun 18 2009, 11:13 AM
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
The firemarshal should not be an issue in Shadowrun: he has no power on extraterritorial corporate buildings, he won't dare to step in the barrens, and the mafia can bribe him if they have to.
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