Maximum visual range and Elevation, Or how a mage can really make life bad |
Maximum visual range and Elevation, Or how a mage can really make life bad |
Jan 17 2004, 07:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
Assuming perfectly clear weather, one can see to the horizon. My goal is to outdo that through a small blimp, fiberoptic line, and a mage.
Does anyone have information on how the range to the horizon is increased with elevation, preferably in increments? My google-fu is weak, I got a bunch of exercise equipment. :( Thanks in advance! |
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Jan 17 2004, 07:27 AM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
The horizon is farther away for a Troll than it is for a Dwarf ...
Link to page with formula If the blimp is 50 meters over your head, the formulas should let you calculate how far someone on the blimp could see, assuming a spherical earth with no trees, buildings, or mountains. And assuming clear air. |
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Jan 17 2004, 07:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
It's at sea, so it should work out.
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Jan 17 2004, 07:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 9-July 02 From: California Member No.: 2,955 |
Hmm, that doesn't seem right. At two meters off the ground I was under the impression I could see farther than two miles.
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Jan 17 2004, 09:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581 |
Whee, math time again.
If we assume that the Earth is a perfect sphere with a radius of 6400km, then the dimensions we're interested in should form a right triangle, with one leg (d) being the distance from your eye to a given point on the horizon, the other leg being the distance from the center of the Earth to the same point on the horizon (which is just the radius (r ) of the planet) and the distance from the center of the Earth to your eye forming the hypotenuse, being the radius (r ) of the planet plus your height (h). So, applying Pythagoras, that gives us: r² + d² = (r+h)² r and h we know... we're interested in finding d. With a little shuffling terms around, we get: d = sqrt((r+h)² - r²) Or, with the radius of Earth plugged in: d = sqrt((6400000m + h)² - (6400000m)²) If we plug in 2m for the height, that works out to: d = sqrt((6400000m + 2m)² - (6400000m)²) d = 5060m ... or about 3.14 miles. That's distance as the eye-laser fires... distance following the curve of the surface could be figured by applying some basic trig to determine the portion of the Earth's circumference that represents, but it's probably not worth the effort. The difference is going to be fairly small... I'm fairly sure that it should always be less than h. I think the formula given by the site OurTeam linked is approximating the planetary radius out from under the radical to simplify the math, which is reasonable given the multiple orders of magnitude difference that're likely between the height and radius terms. I believe mine's more accurate, but the other is easier to calculate, and should be close enough for government work, especially since the margin of error is going to be swallowed by the fact that Earth is not a perfect sphere. |
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Jan 18 2004, 01:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 344 Joined: 28-July 03 Member No.: 5,133 |
Uh, it was my understanding that there would be no math?
Kong |
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Jan 18 2004, 03:57 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 93 Joined: 9-December 03 From: Greenville, SC Member No.: 5,889 |
Just running a few numbers through John's equation:
I have no idea what limits the atmosphere plays in sighting distances at these kinds of ranges though. Mal-2 |
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Jan 18 2004, 04:02 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
Note that this distance also covers your radar horizon. Bonus points for a new equasion that determins the dead zone altitude for any given distance. :D
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Jan 18 2004, 08:10 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 11-May 02 Member No.: 2,723 |
The formula give the horizon on a perfectly spherical planet, so if you don't actually want to target the ground, your reach lengthens: if you target another human (2m tall) your range doubles. If the target stands on a small hill, if there's a small valley between you ...
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