Dikote, Where can I find it in SR4? Options

[Stahlseele]

I stopped following SR canon around Bug City.

Do what they did with LA going down under.
Have it happen on TV. Seattle is a good ways off.

[Critias]

Why?

Flavour of course, that and customized grips come back to haunt you.

I'm not sure what flavor you're going for by leaving off some basic recoil-dampening gear, or how it is you think customized grips come back to haunt you any more than anything else does. The only way I can think of is if "they" get ahold of your weapon and somehow have your...what...palm specifications or something, on file? And if that's the case, the odds are pretty good you left behind some DNA elsewhere on the weapon anyways just from handling it, or bled all over the place in the process of losing it/leaving it behind, yadda yadda yadda.

I'll keep my customized grips, thanks. If that means I'm not a "real runner" in your eyes, I can live with that while blasting you to pieces with my more accurate shotgun.

[Dikotana]

- The SPAS has a retractable stock.
- The -1 tn for smartlink is for shot/flechette shots
- Oh my, you're right. They can mount gas-vents! (although its only feasible on burst fire shotguns)

- So it does. Huh. Okay, so if you start by modding a SPAS you can arguably get up to concealability 9 with the stock folded.
- I suppose one could fire shot from a shotgun, but if you really need to do 13D damage you probably want to be using slugs as well.
- Non-burst shotguns have such trivial recoil that you wouldn't want a vent.

Stahseele: I salute your gun construction, but bullpup configuration is strictly better than improved concealability (you get 1 recoil compensation at less cost). And I'm not sure how you you got concealment up to 6 without shortening the barrel anyway. What I came up with along your lines is a bit different.

Bullpup, Ceramic (1), Burst-Fire, Heavy Barrel, Clip, Barrel Reduction, Improved FCU (4), Improved Power (2), Weight Decrease (6), an integral smartgun II, a personal grip, and shock pads. Also there's really no reason not to increase the clip size from a measly 10 to a more robust 50. (Again, clips that large might come with concealment penalties. Ask your GM before modding!)

5.15 kilos, a cost of 4640 nuyen, a concealability of 6 (8 versus MAD detectors), and 4 RC for your 10S, burst-fire capable, smarlinked weapon, possibly with 50 rounds and therefore enough ammo to keep firing for 16 IPs, or around 14 seconds. The barrel is also unused, so you can go ahead and add a sound suppressor in an entirely futile attempt to muffle a shotgun firing bursts.

Not satisfied? The rules on page 83 forbid folding stocks, but if you cheat and steal the SPAS rules you can sneak in another point of RC and argue for another point of concealment (page 34 says "SMG-sized or smaller" weapons can have stocks, and by concealment this thing is tiny now). An underbarrel weight adds one more RC and can be detached, so if you don't mind having to assemble your gun a bit you can pocket the weight and keep your gun hidden. Or you can come up with the 6 strength a forgiving GM will accept for 1 RC or the 11 strength a harsher GM who compensates with strength after shotgun recoil doubling. Or you can whine because your GM doesn't use that unnecessary extra recoil solution.

This gun lies somewhere between broken and barrels (pun intended) of fun. I am also endlessly amused by the concept of the stealth automatic shotgun.

[Kliko]

Critias, your characters are as real runners as mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) .

Now lets get back from shotgun rules to Dikote. This thread is derailing (and yes the SPAS is just to good a bang for buck gun).

The shot and or flechette rounds are must in case you run into hordes of say.... devil rats.

[Dikotana]

Nonsense. In cases of devil rat hordes what you really need is a gun that sprays pure dikote, although I suppose dikoted shot will do in a pinch. It's like shooting pure win at enemies. Bonus points if you get your gun a custom dikote finish.

Dikote your friends! Dikote your family! Dikote your NERPS!

[Stahlseele]

Dikote your Allies Weapon-Form so you can propperly have sex with him!
OK, one good thing about there not being Dikote in SR4: Cyber Dong and Cyber Tits. Anyone wanna take a guess what people would be doing?

[Kingboy]

Nah, dikote isn't shiny enough for that. It's all about the platinum encrusted with actual diamonds, not just some spray on diamond coating.

I mean if you're gonna replace your thing, it might as well be bling...

[Critias]

Nonsense. In cases of devil rat hordes what you really need is a gun that sprays pure dikote, although I suppose dikoted shot will do in a pinch. It's like shooting pure win at enemies. Bonus points if you get your gun a custom dikote finish.

Dikote your friends! Dikote your family! Dikote your NERPS!

But then you'd have to fight dikoted devil rats.

[Snow_Fox]

actually I would miss dikote if I went over to 4th ed. I know runners would all have it BUT not everyone could afford it as street meat and the like wouldn't and maybe corper's wouldn't get it.
corper/poser- "Look buddy, I got a dikoted butter knife."
runner "Good for you chummer"

[Dikotana]

Dikote should be applied to everything in the home and on the person of the tacky rich. It's pricey, it's diamond, and it's actually not doing much good for most people most of the time. Dikoted butter knife? Try dikoted matching sets of silverware, dishes, and possibly tables and chairs. And sunglasses. And sportscars.

Dikote should be applied judiciously to runners' equipment. It's pricey, it's diamond, but it can be the difference between getting through the door in two seconds or ten, or having the bullet leave a bruise or an exit wound, when your life is on the line. You can't afford to coat everything, but you can't afford not to coat the stuff that will be saving your hoop. It's mandatory because you know what you're doing and have a healthy appreciation for staying alive.

[Critias]

Which is why, in SR4, I'm fine with them just saying "everything, ever, is dikoted." The ones who are dikote crazy can be all tingly in the pants because they've got so much dikoted stuff, and the rest of us can just ignore it. Everyone wins. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Snow_Fox]

That's why Ihtink it should still be an otion. that way you can judge a person by how they use it. I mean the guy with a dikoted belt on his belt, worrysome, the yahoo with the dikoted dinner set, it really a dweeb

[The Jake]

I just assumed all ammunition had Dikote in it. Even stun ammo and Stick-n-Shock.

I mean really, why wouldn't you?

- J.

[Dragnar]

Someone somewhere thought about dikoteing diamond jewelry so it does more damage when thrown with missle mastery...

Then he sighed in relief remembering it's gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dikotana]

Sup dawg, I heard you liked dikote so I put dikote on your dikote so you can cut while you're cutting.

It had to happen.