Astrally perceiving Question |
Astrally perceiving Question |
Jun 16 2009, 06:11 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 25-November 08 Member No.: 16,629 |
Alright so the situation was, my runners were facing off against a prime runner. As his first two shots, he shoots out the light they are holding and the one above him.
It is now pitch black. Can my PC's mage, when astrally perceiving, use the prime runners aura to target a manabolt? Also, when astrally perceiving, can you see through walls? I'm probably missing something in the reading but I can't find it. Also, what if you are astrally projecting? Can you just see the aura's of a party and target them all with manaball? Why would you ever manifest? |
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Jun 16 2009, 06:47 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 |
If you are astrally perceiving, you can target people with it. Your modifier is -2 for anything you do in the physical world and is not magical( (see it as the sight-modifier) Your spell is a magical activity and does not suffer from that. (Although maybe if it is a indirect combat spell) You still need a line of sight, also it can still be blocked by massive amounts of dust, or smoke.
No, you cannot look through walls, or any living or unliving thing, while perceiving or projecting. All objects cast a "shadow" into the astral world. If it is a object, you can fly through it when projecting. Also: No you cannot influence the physical world at all when projecting. Only dual creatures and astrally perceiving mages can be targets for you. (And of course manaforms like spells and spirits in the astral world). Even when you manifest, all you can do is "ghostly appear" to living creatures, talk with them and leave. This is all stated very clearly in the chapter for magic. SR3 is about the same. (+2TN when perceiving and doing something on the physical world) |
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Jun 16 2009, 07:20 AM
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Street Doc Group: Admin Posts: 3,508 Joined: 2-March 04 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 6,114 |
I'm going to rearrange the order of your questions a bit.
...what if you are astrally projecting? Can you just see the aura's of a party and target them all with manaball? As a general rule the caster has to be active on the same plane as the target. Unless the target is astrally perceiving/projecting an astral mage can not target them.QUOTE Can my PC's mage, when astrally perceiving, use the prime runners aura to target a manabolt? I would say yes in this instance. Since you are dual natured you are technically active on the same plane as the target (i.e. the physical). But you get that -2 DP penalty. QUOTE Also, when astrally perceiving, can you see through walls? Nope. You also can't "see" through glass or other translucent solids. But you can stick your head through them...QUOTE Why would you ever manifest? To communicate with your teammates or other physical beings while astrally projecting. Also makes a good distraction before, say, breaching a room full of security guards...
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Jun 16 2009, 08:27 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 25-November 08 Member No.: 16,629 |
So if there is smoke in the way, it's not just a -4 penalty, it's if they can't see them they can't cast?
Same thing with pitch black, it's -6 normally, but that means they can't cast unless they use astral perception right? |
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Jun 16 2009, 08:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 7-June 09 Member No.: 17,251 |
So if there is smoke in the way, it's not just a -4 penalty, it's if they can't see them they can't cast? Same thing with pitch black, it's -6 normally, but that means they can't cast unless they use astral perception right? Right. You need direct sensory contact with the target. |
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Jun 16 2009, 08:37 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Targetting astrally for spellcasting (direct or otherwise) does not impose the -2 on the DP. This is for physical actions only. If you can't see a target (normal augmented vision or astral perception), you can't target it. But a Perception roll could clarify that beforehand.
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Jun 16 2009, 11:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
No, you cannot look through walls, or any living or unliving thing, while perceiving or projecting. All objects cast a "shadow" into the astral world. If it is a object, you can fly through it when projecting. You can also move through living auras: there are Astral detection rules just for that case, and otherwise Awakened Ivy would be useless, as plain old plants would do the same. |
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Jun 16 2009, 03:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 |
So I have to wonder... If your mage tags along in the astral only, can you either use dmso laced with deepweed or make an airborn version of it to force mundanes to percieve and thus be targetable from the astral?
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Jun 16 2009, 03:58 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Theoretically you could. Whether this is cost effective, is another question.
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Jun 16 2009, 04:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 304 Joined: 23-April 09 From: Canada eh? Member No.: 17,109 |
So I have to wonder... If your mage tags along in the astral only, can you either use dmso laced with deepweed or make an airborn version of it to force mundanes to percieve and thus be targetable from the astral? I'm fairly sure healing is a mana based spell so this might work better for having a mage on speed dail or overwatch for aid rather then as an attack tactic. Cost wise anyway. Having a spirit with astral gateway target someone to cause them to project while you float there, waiting, with a weapon focus... Suddenly the mage is the only one with a weapon in the ex-firefight... this and its variants sound like fun. Maybe not fair, but fun. |
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Jun 16 2009, 04:29 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
Having a spirit with astral gateway target someone to cause them to project while you float there, waiting, with a weapon focus... Suddenly the mage is the only one with a weapon in the ex-firefight... this and its variants sound like fun. Maybe not fair, but fun. Or Shade. But that aside, I for one am very disappointed in the Manifesting rules. You're a glorified Watcher Spirit. Hopefully, as the mana waxes stronger, mages will discover ways to cast while manifesting. |
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