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 Non-lethal technology, or how NOT to geek the mage |
 Jan 21 2004, 09:02 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277  |
...and that's great, and tres cyberpunk. Life is cheap.
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Jan 21 2004, 09:07 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Moonstone Spider, you're comparing elite non-lethal gear to ordinary ammo. That's like comparing a 3 passenger Ares Dragon helicopter to a 1 passenger Dodge Scoot electric motorscooter and saying that 3-passenger vehicles cost too much. Instead I suggest you compare normal gel rounds to normal ammo. They do roughly the same damage, both can be obtained in a week, and the cost of both is negligible for a Shadowrunner. (Double-cost for something negligible is still negligible.) Just because there are more expensive ways of knocking someone out doesn't mean you have to use them. |
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Jan 21 2004, 09:12 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
That's a bit silly, because standard OC (pepper) gases generally include CS (tear gas). The pepper spray thingies that us MPs were taught to use were actually called OC/CS sprays. And you won't need to add anything to that stuff, it'll incapacitate quite nicely on its own -- though I suppose some cramping will always help.
Funnily enough, these are also some of the biggest problems of Real Life non-lethal options. Compare the price of decent-quality stun munitions for shotguns to that of common shot rounds, for example. Or the costs of buying and using a taser compared to a pistol. Not to mention all these wacky microwave- or infrasound-weapons that have been discussed. Heck, I bet lethal nerve gases are easier and cheaper to produce than immobilizing/stunning/sleep-inducing ones are. A human being is so frail, you've got to work hard not to kill one. |
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Jan 21 2004, 09:13 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
In my games there are some fairly basic Pepper Punch delivery systems for the average joe/jess. The delivery systems are included in the price for the chemicals and are disposable (IE: peper-punch comes in a spray-cans).
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Jan 21 2004, 09:18 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,898 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You can kill people with Shadowrun stun weapons. I once had some characters almost kick the bucket because I had some NPCs get too frisky with a stun gas grenade and then some narcoject to back it all up.
~J |
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Jan 21 2004, 09:22 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
It seems basic pepper spray cans with ~10 "doses" (1-second sprays) sell for $10-20, and you can get a 30-feet range canister/spray with 20-25 doses (includes UV ID dye) for $50. So the price of Pepper Punch is a bit high in MM, but not that much if you consider them to include the delivery system.
Got to remember to give a few passers-by some of this stuff every now and then... (In SR while GMing, I mean.) |
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Jan 21 2004, 09:39 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 160 Joined: 12-August 03 From: Sulphur, Louisiana Member No.: 5,418 |
Yeah, if you take it too far, of course you can kill someone with enough stun damage.. But it's not like modern non-lethal projectiles, which can kill with only a single shot at less than 25 feet. |
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