Algonkian-Manitou Council Capitol, Who picked this anyway. Options

[Malachi]

FYI
Regina's Parliament Building
There are no major administration buildings in Saskatoon, but here is their town hall.
Prince Albert's Treaty Administration Building

Victoria's Parliament Building
Bellingham Federal Building

Edmonton's Parliament Building
Anchorage's Federal Building

To me it seems like a no brainier, I know where I would like my capitol

Ok strange trivia tidbit for the people that are into that stuff: Insanity's names in the link are mostly incorrect. The buildings in Regina and Edmonton should be called Legislative buildings, as that is the correct name for a building that houses a Provincial-level government. The Parliament building houses the Federal government in Ottawa. The one exception to this is the building in Victoria which houses the Provincial government for BC, but they insist on calling it a "Parliament" building. *shakes head*

[Cheops]

That's just because we want you Easterner's to fuck off and leave us alone ;-P

Part of that is because Victoria and British Columbia existed as British colonies before they joined Canada, whereas Alberta and Saskatchewan were part of the NWT until legislated into Provinces in 1905.

I'd also like to point out that our parliament lights up at night. Victoria Parliament at Night

[TBRMInsanity]

Names aside, I was pointing out that Anglophobia is not enough of an excuse to have an impressive structure that is already designed to accommodate the running of a large area (ie a Province or Nation) for something new or a less adequate building.

Now that I think about it there is also the worlds largest Tiepie in Medicine Hat (another much better candidate).

[Malachi]

I'd also like to point out that our parliament lights up at night. Victoria Parliament at Night

Yeah, no denying that its a beautiful building. It's a beautiful city in general... just really expensive to live there. Man.

[Cheops]

Yeah, no denying that its a beautiful building. It's a beautiful city in general... just really expensive to live there. Man.

Lol...welcome to the West Coast.

[TBRMInsanity]

I've been looking deeper at the SSC and potential capitols for it and Bellingham makes even less sense now. If the SSC choose Bellingham over Victoria because it was closer to Seatle then why didn't thy choose Olympia (the current capitol of Washington state and from what I can tell, part of the SSC)? Victoria would have been the best location for a capitol (maybe Vancouver) due to it being more central to the nation as a whole. I think I'm going to go back through my NAN books to see if there are any clues in them about why certain places were chosen.

[Cheops]

I can't think of any good reasons for Bellingham off the top of my head. Again, I wouldn't agree with Victoria because of the whole Anglo thing. There's also the problem that it is not on the mainland and (I could be mistaken) the bands living there aren't quite as war-like and pushy as some of the mainland Salish (hopefully I don't offend anyone here).

Vancouver again no because of the Anglo thing and also because we have a much lower density and absolute population of First Nations than other areas such as Esquimalt (right next to Victoria) and Merritt (close to Kelowna).

[TBRMInsanity]

I can't think of any good reasons for Bellingham off the top of my head. Again, I wouldn't agree with Victoria because of the whole Anglo thing. There's also the problem that it is not on the mainland and (I could be mistaken) the bands living there aren't quite as war-like and pushy as some of the mainland Salish (hopefully I don't offend anyone here).

Vancouver again no because of the Anglo thing and also because we have a much lower density and absolute population of First Nations than other areas such as Esquimalt (right next to Victoria) and Merritt (close to Kelowna).

But if you look at Bellingham it is deserted (no offense to someone that actually lives there). It is in one of the least populated counties in Washington state and the city isn't that large or has very many historical locations either. Olympia would have been better.

[Cheops]

Yeah, other than the fact that there are like 3 reservations (I think) right near Bellingham there isn't much there. A lot of its business has to do with Canadians driving down there to buy cheap gas and retail goods.

[TBRMInsanity]

I've gone through NAN Vol 1 and it states that Bellingham was chosen at the formation of the SS because it was the only active port not currently being rebuilt after the Great Ghost Dance. The structure of the SS means each tribe technically runs their own section of the SS and the tribal leaders meet at least once a month at Friendship Lodge in Bellingham to hash out inter tribe issues. Lately though meetings have been moved to Council Island (Across the pond from Seatle) and that has become the defacto capitol of the SS. Bellingham is pretty much a ghost town and a laughing stalk compared to other nation capitols.

I seem to recall something happening to Council Island but my search-fu is failing me. Can someone help me out.

[Cheops]

Council Island is back to being Mercer Island and is now full of embassies I do believe.

I often forget that SSC is a loose confederation. Metaplot hardly ever explores that angle except for the obligatory "Everyone is upset with the smuggling conducted by the Cascade Orks" that makes it into every book.

[Malachi]

No, nothing happened to Council Island. It's still pretty much the same as it was.

Council Island (formerly Mercer Island) hosts Seattle’s
embassies with the nations of North America, part of a complicated
political debacle involving the drafting of the Second
Treaty of Denver and the section of the Seattle Metroplex
Constitution that allows Seattle to send its own ambassadors
and open its own embassies. At one time it was home to the rich
and corporate of Seattle, but the eruptions of 2017 drove them
off the island. Now most of the island is forested and undeveloped
in accordance with an agreement with the Salish-Shidhe
Council (which for several decades had complete jurisdiction
over the island).
Housed along I-90 are the various embassies, with Seattle’s
own embassies at both ends of the bridges as you enter or leave
the island. The Salish-Shidhe and other NAN embassies are
predominate, but you’ll also find embassies for the CAS, Tir
Tairngire, Aztlan, Russia, Japan, Hong Kong, and the Canton
Confederation, among others. The Corporate Court also has
an office here. Construction on the isle is severely limited, with
no structure allowed to be more than three stories high.

[TBRMInsanity]

Then I would argue that it is the defacto capitol of the SSC and not Bellingham. Bellingham is the capitol in name only.

[Snow_Fox]

I'd also like to point out that our parliament lights up at night.

So does my local McDonalds!

[AngelisStorm]

But if you look at Bellingham it is deserted (no offense to someone that actually lives there). It is in one of the least populated counties in Washington state and the city isn't that large or has very many historical locations either. Olympia would have been better.

I would have to check for actual numbers (since Dumpshock loves its facts), but gut instinct goes with that being iffy. It is a pretty empty county, but it is still on the water, where most of Washington's major population centers are. With areas like the Olympic Penninsula, southern Washington, the farms of eastern Washington... actually the state is fairly desolate, once you get away from the Puget Sound area.

Old map, but it was the first easy one to find: http://www.ofm.wa.gov/popden/colormap.asp

But since we're talking about wierdnesses: Mercer Island. I've never read an explanation of what actually happened, except that it was evacuated because of the eruptions. But Mercer Island would be one of the safest places in case of an eruption, so that line has never made sense to me. It's away from all the volcanoes, and it's an island, smack dab between Bellevue and downtown Seattle. If it took alot of damage, then all of Seattle would have.

(But I do love that it's full of embassies now.)

[TBRMInsanity]

From what I've read about the SSC (NAN Vol 1, and SoNA), a lot of those embassies are for each of the tribes. The UCAS finds it easier to deal with each tribe separately then all at once. The only time they come together is in cases of National security (like their war with Tsimshian).

[Digital Heroin]

To argue a city's worth as a capitol merely because it has a great building and was historically capitol of the province is to ignore two facts:

- new buildings can always be erected; and
- history is sometimes a reminder of exactly what people want to put behind them.

The anglo-centricity of Regina has already been pointed out, as has the fact it was named for a colonial operessor. Why would a newly minted government representing Amerindian interests want to saddle itself with such negative history when they can pick somewhere neutral and just build a new set of administrative buildings? The same goes with the Cathedrals; Cathedrals are representitive of a forced religion, not exactly something in line with the new regime's image.

[TBRMInsanity]

To argue a city's worth as a capitol merely because it has a great building and was historically capitol of the province is to ignore two facts:

- new buildings can always be erected; and
- history is sometimes a reminder of exactly what people want to put behind them.

The anglo-centricity of Regina has already been pointed out, as has the fact it was named for a colonial operessor. Why would a newly minted government representing Amerindian interests want to saddle itself with such negative history when they can pick somewhere neutral and just build a new set of administrative buildings? The same goes with the Cathedrals; Cathedrals are representitive of a forced religion, not exactly something in line with the new regime's image.

I would also argue (till I'm blue in the face) that Saskatoon is just as anglo-centric as Regina and that places like Prince Albert, Grand Rapids, Medicine Hat, and Fort Qu'Appelle have stronger connections to the First Nations in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba then Saskatoon will ever have. In fact there are all ready First Nation administrative buildings in most of those communities that are strong symbols of pride for the First Nation People (the Governance Building in Fort Qu'Appelle is a prime example).

[Cheops]

I'd think that a place like Batoche would make an amazing symbol for the AM.

It is a tiny town in Saskatchewan where Louis Riel made his last stand against the NWMP (aka RCMP). You can still go there today and they still have the church where he was gunned down and see the bulletholes. Louis Riel was a metis from the Red River settlement who'd already unsuccessfully led a rebellion against the government for native and metis land rights. His second attempt had several battles (Battleford, Duck Creek just to name a couple I remember) and the NWMP actually had to deploy new fangled gattling guns to put down the bands that joined him.

[TBRMInsanity]

Batoche is a stone throw away from Prince Albert.

[Malachi]

You can still go there today and they still have the church where he was gunned down and see the bulletholes.

Except he wasn't gunned down, he surrendered, stood trial, and was hung?

[TBRMInsanity]

And the Saskatchewan Rebellion was more about the Meti then the First Nations.

[Cheops]

Whoa...shows what fuzzy memories of Grade 10 can do for historical accuracy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

You guys are of course correct. Metis rebellion was underway before the Cree decided to kick some butt and was therefore unrelated. Riel did surrender.

<Cheops retreats in shame>

[TBRMInsanity]

Don't feel bad. I live in Saskatchewan and I would feel embarrassed if I didn't know this stuff. Just like I would expect you to know more about BC history.

[Malachi]

Whoa...shows what fuzzy memories of Grade 10 can do for historical accuracy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

You guys are of course correct. Metis rebellion was underway before the Cree decided to kick some butt and was therefore unrelated. Riel did surrender.

<Cheops retreats in shame>

No prob. The real reason I know Riel's fate is that every year a group puts on the play The Trial of Louis Riel somewhere in Regina. Plus my high school was right where the old RCMP barracks used to be, so there were rumours around the school that he was actually hung somewhere on the campus. I don't think any of it was true...