Running Wild, First Impressions Options

[Patrick Goodman]

I know about the bounty, but the book also states that law hasn't been enforced in some time.

Still on the books, though, and just because no one's reported to have enforced it doesn't mean that people haven't been collecting bounties on ghouls or banshees. McAllister's well-informed, but he's got a lot of biases and he's nowhere near a perfect source of information.

Matter of fact, given the infection retconning, I can't understand why people would leave ghouls alive, KOS seems the safest startegy to handle the disease.

Part of the deal on that was writing to what was established before; I fought some of it and was brought down by my developer. I've got no problem there.

And personally, I think you're reading a little too much into some of McAllister's remarks regarding Krieger infection. It was less a comment on the potency of HMHVV III than it was the conditions in which most ghouls live. Give a ghoul a nice hot shower, and he's not likely to infect anyone without making a deliberate effort.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Give a ghoul a nice hot shower, and he's not likely to infect anyone without making a deliberate effort.

..and infect everyone down the water line? How long does the virus 'survive' away from it's host, anyway?

[Mäx]

2--The line I think you're referring to is "Warforms are capable of accepting standard bioware, though cultured is more often used." This is to state that most corporations which go through the effort of implanting bioware use cultured bioware since they are force growing the tissue anyways from raw DNA. Standard bioware can be used as a cost-saving technique in one-off cases, but most firms will use cultured. (Afterall if you just spent several million nuyen on perfecting this Cat, why use a generic monkey organ, when the cat's organ could be perfect.)

Except that cultured is just a specific list of bioware(not a grade like alpha, beta..) so if they want more strenght, agility or hardier bones for example they can't use cultured as bioware with those effects are standart bioware.
Seems like who ever write that one, isn't up fit the latest ware rules.

[Fuchs]

Still on the books, though, and just because no one's reported to have enforced it doesn't mean that people haven't been collecting bounties on ghouls or banshees. McAllister's well-informed, but he's got a lot of biases and he's nowhere near a perfect source of information.

Part of the deal on that was writing to what was established before; I fought some of it and was brought down by my developer. I've got no problem there.

And personally, I think you're reading a little too much into some of McAllister's remarks regarding Krieger infection. It was less a comment on the potency of HMHVV III than it was the conditions in which most ghouls live. Give a ghoul a nice hot shower, and he's not likely to infect anyone without making a deliberate effort.

As said before - fluff and rules do not match then. By RAW, ghouls are highly infectious, and nigh-incurable.

[Ragewind]

As final thoughts go, "unicorns are real," is one of the better ones.

SMBC

[Ryu]

Except that cultured is just a specific list of bioware(not a grade like alpha, beta..) so if they want more strenght, agility or hardier bones for example they can't use cultured as bioware with those effects are standart bioware.
Seems like who ever write that one, isn't up fit the latest ware rules.

Ware is (since Shadowtech) either Type-O or cloned from your cells. Neural bioware is always cloned from your cells.

Standard Bioware is Type-O for cost reasons, but can be available cultured, too.

[Machiavelli]

SMBC

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal?

[Prime Mover]

So whats the coolest critter in the book?
Most surprising critter in the book?
Which one makes you chuckle to yourself? (Edit: Or grin all evil like.)

[crizh]

Dunno, haven't read the final PDF yet but the Stalker Chimera gave me a few lol's.

edit

Assuming they made the cut, Imps were pretty funny.

[Garwllwyd]

Question: other than the Talis Cat, which critters from the bestiary in the 2e (and possibly 1e) core and the two Paranormal Animals books (North America & Europe) AREN'T contained in Running Wild? I was going to try to convert a bunch of the other paranimals, but depending perhaps I should just focus on a few -- no sense doing what's already done.

Any word on when the print version's out?

[Prime Mover]

Imps from threats book?

[Ancient History]

Yes, Imps made the cut.

[Alexand]

Question: other than the Talis Cat, which critters from the bestiary in the 2e (and possibly 1e) core and the two Paranormal Animals books (North America & Europe) AREN'T contained in Running Wild? I was going to try to convert a bunch of the other paranimals, but depending perhaps I should just focus on a few -- no sense doing what's already done.

Any word on when the print version's out?

Silly gamer! You know Catalyst doesn't do shipping dates past "When it's out" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Heck, the only reason we know that SR4A will be out after Gencon is because of a lot of educated guessing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif)

[Ragewind]

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal?

That is correct, that quote about the unicorn was from the webcomic SMBC

[Stormdrake]

Was reading the advanced rules for critters section, on swarms and mischief's. In reading the discription of mischief's it says that individual attacks are possible but not very effective against the group. Then it follows up with direct attacks reduce the mischief's population by one quarter of the modified DV but that area effect attacks reduce the group rating by half of the modified DV. So direct attacks are diffrent than individual attacks? Is damage from direct attacks counted against the population (ie. each net success reduces the population by one?) I like the idea as it allows me to deal with large mass attacks without rolling for each individual critter but the mechanics need a bit more explanation (or I need more coffee). Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[BishopMcQ]

Storm--Have you read through the example on page 25? That shows the effect of a single target attack (a pistol shot). If you need more clarification, let me know and I will walk you through it.

[Jimson]

I haven't read through the book yet, but just finished all 6 pages of this discussion. Looks like there is a lot of great stuff in there. The problem is, how to get even a fraction of it in game with a group that only meets once every other month. Poor me...so many toys, so little time.

[Malachi]

You have to pick your battles, so to speak. Select a creature or encounter that you think will give the biggest "bang" or entertainment value for your group and work with that.

[Stahlseele]

Do something with tentacles.
everybody loves tentacles!
and do NOT mix them up with testicles.

[Adam]

Silly gamer! You know Catalyst doesn't do shipping dates past "When it's out" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You're not entirely correct there. We announce Street Dates when are very sure that those dates [the date that a game store actually HAS the book and is allowed to offer it for sale] will be hit. This generally means waiting until the books are in our warehouse, and it also means that when we give a date, it's much more likely to be accurate than a "release date" we prognosticate months in advance.

This is better for everyone involved -- us, distributors, retailers, customers.

[Jimson]

Do something with tentacles.
everybody loves tentacles!
and do NOT mix them up with testicles.

So a baby kraken lurking in toilets around the sprawl would NOT be a good idea??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hobgoblin]

Do something with tentacles.
everybody loves tentacles!
and do NOT mix them up with testicles.

hmm, a cephalopod with some kind of lighter then air mod, and a AI running the show...

[Malachi]

Do something with tentacles.
everybody loves tentacles!
and do NOT mix them up with testicles.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

Oh man Stahlseele, you hit one out of the park with that one. I rarely laugh out loud at work...

If you seriously want something with tentacles then why not have the runners hired to escort an important (and illegal) shipment as it crosses the ocean, then have it be attacked by a Kraken. I wanted to put one of those in a run as soon as I read about them.

Or (if you want to be a little bit of a bugger GM) have the team be hired to escort a boat from California to Hawai. The weather forecast is fabulous, no pirate activity has been reported for months, and reports indicate that there is a high probability of Mermaid activity in the area. Halfway through the journey, when nasty Sea-lions with arms start jumping up to drag people off of the boat and drown them, tell your players that a Mermaid might be something slightly different than what they are used to.

[Ryu]

I haven't read through the book yet, but just finished all 6 pages of this discussion. Looks like there is a lot of great stuff in there. The problem is, how to get even a fraction of it in game with a group that only meets once every other month. Poor me...so many toys, so little time.

We would really like the example toxic critter: the Borax Burro, to have corrosive excretions in more than just saliva. The players captured some and transported them in the back of a rented truck. When they stopped to muck out the back, I gave them a big surprise due to the critter’s corrosive excretions – large parts of the floor had holes in them.

Much with the respect for that idea.

[Alexand]

You're not entirely correct there. We announce Street Dates when are very sure that those dates [the date that a game store actually HAS the book and is allowed to offer it for sale] will be hit. This generally means waiting until the books are in our warehouse, and it also means that when we give a date, it's much more likely to be accurate than a "release date" we prognosticate months in advance.

This is better for everyone involved -- us, distributors, retailers, customers.

It wasn't meant as a knock at Catalyst. As I said in the Street Magic errata thread, I think you guys put out some of the better stuff out there.

But you have to admit, you know you keep us drooling over those books, well intentioned or not (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

/still drooling over 20th Anni edition
// So much in fact, I'm sending a roomate to Gencon with 40 bucks because Amazon is to slow