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Dogsoup View Member Profile	Jan 28 2004, 06:25 PM Post #26
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Jan 28 2004, 07:21 PM

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One thing I've decided, to explain the abundance of toxic shamans, that both shamans and hermetics turn toxic, and works roughly in the same ways.

The official terms are: toxic shaman/wujen; corrupted mage; petro vodoun; twisted adept.

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Jan 28 2004, 08:58 PM

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But wouldn't the fact that Aztlan has an actual army still work out with them beating the Texans? I mean, tanks/IFV's trump firearms mostly.

The fact the Mexican/Atzlan army by it's history and culture is one of the most grossly inept in the world? The majority of enlisted are teenage conscripts and the officer corps is purely political. At one time there was 1 general for every 100 people in the army.

Armored vehicles do not a victory vs. partisans make. Partisans simply avoid where they are, hit them where they can do damage and avoid where they can't. The mission of guerillas is to hit poorly guarded areas and get out before the big guns arrive. This is even assuming these vehicles are used in a competent manner, and Mexican military history has shown they're even more grossly inept in this department than Imperial storm troopers.

The reason Atzlan is so scary in my SRverse is not because of its military, but because it can pull force gazillion blood spirits out of it's keister to do the rarrgh hulk smash thing, and even that rarely works due to the gross incompetence and inability of the Atzlan military structure to capitalize on the advantages created by this.

Of course with the Hispanics likely out numbering the Anglos in that region by that time (check out what the census bureau has projected for the next 50 years... very interesting, Anglos are on their way out as a majority through the entire nation, Hispanics will become the leading minority, which means they will be out numbering Anglos even if they are not a complete majority), I would put money on the indigenous Hispanic population. If they saw the invasion of Aztlan as an up to date version of the old Aztlan movement that started back in the 1960s (yes, a real live movement, check it out sometime) I could easily see how Texas would have its rear handed to it.

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Jan 28 2004, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE (Dogsoup @ Jan 28 2004, 01:25 PM)

One thing I've decided, to explain the abundance of toxic shamans, that both shamans and hermetics turn toxic, and works roughly in the same ways.

The official terms are: toxic shaman/wujen; corrupted mage; petro vodoun; twisted adept.

Yeah I know :), but when was the last sourcebook/adventure you saw a corrupted mage?
How often do toxics pop up?
The 'Corrupted' path could just be a Sterile toxic shaman/mage or a new "path" for all i know/care :P.
Twisted and Petro are just fine though.

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Jan 29 2004, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE (sable twilight @ Jan 28 2004, 03:58 PM)

Of course with the Hispanics likely out numbering the Anglos in that region by that time (check out what the census bureau has projected for the next 50 years... very interesting, Anglos are on their way out as a majority through the entire nation, Hispanics will become the leading minority, which means they will be out numbering Anglos even if they are not a complete majority), I would put money on the indigenous Hispanic population. If they saw the invasion of Aztlan as an up to date version of the old Aztlan movement that started back in the 1960s (yes, a real live movement, check it out sometime) I could easily see how Texas would have its rear handed to it.

Speaking as a person of Hispanic descent, I think you're making a critical error sir, not unlike that of thinking that every person of Japanese descent on the west coast, even those that have been here multiple generations, was a potential traitor during WWII.

There are several subsets of Mexican culture in the United States, and not all of them are gonna ask "How high?" just because some obvious dictatorship in Mexico says "jump." The largest 4 of these being:

The recent immigrants- these people often feel a good bit of loyalty to Mexico, but are usually here to seek permanent residence. Their acculturation depends on which of the three other metagroups they join.

The migrants- People who move their families from place to place throughout America. Usually, education is fairly poor due to the constant movement. Loyalty would be divided fairly randomly, and probably would settle with wherever they could get work when the Ghost Dance and the subsequent fallout hit.

The Californios- California has always been a prosperous place, even during the Spanish rule. However, in recent years California has failed to acculturate it's Mexican immigrants and has in fact, encouraged them NOT to while at the same time subsidizing the incoming of even more immigrants, mostly of the illegal sort. THIS is the place where you would see a massive indifference/possible assistance by many of the hispanic culture, due to the fact that the idea that they are Mexicans living in California, rather than the idea that they are/should become Americans is hammered into them.

And finally, the Tejano culture- by far the subset of Mexican culture with the least loyalty to Mexico proper ever since it's incarnation with the founding of Nagadoches and San Antonio in the 1600's (a large percentage, if not the majority, of the defenders of the Alamo were of some Mexican descent), is a blend of Texan and Mexican, as can be expected. This group is extremely patriotic and assimilation of recent immigrants usually happens within a generation or two.

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(yes, a real live movement, check it out sometime)

I'm aware of that La Raza crap and as a citizen of the United States I hate it passionately. This group of people is primarily concentrated around the most highly educated (college professors, et al), and the very least educated. You didn't state nor infer as such, sir, but I will implore you not to assume that it has a hive mind majoritarian grip on the Mexican American populace.

If anyone is going to have a massive insurgent problems, it's going to be CFS. I will state that in Texas, the hispanic culture, due to the aforementioned population change, local acculturation and other factors, will be the CORE of the Texan resistance, not the downfall of it (and that's assuming the Azzies even defeat the Texas regular forces in the first place, which they probably won't for reasons I've already stated unless they unleash the blood magic boogaloo and create a PR diaster.) Don't assume that an overwhelming and undefeatable amount of people are gonna rise up against the "Anglos." More than likely, we're/they're going to see the "Anglos" as our countrymen and women and the Azzies for what they are, a Porfirio Diaz-esque dictatorship that needs to be stopped in it's tracks.

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