 Charcoalgrin, This most enigmatic dragon |
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 Jan 24 2004, 02:07 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740  |
I was just wondering what people knew about the dragon Charcoalgrin in relation to Shadowrun. I know what's been said in the Book of Dragons from Earthdawn, but I'd heard that she was thought to be "still around."
I can't even find a good physical description of her! Help would be appreciated. ^_^ |
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 Jan 24 2004, 02:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
And I most certainly should have posted this in the "Dragons" subforum, except I was being an idiot.
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Jan 24 2004, 02:33 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Go bug AnHi. That's his gig. :) But I don't think she's ever been mentioned. Of course, that's not to say she's not out there lurking about in the shadows as it were.
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Jan 24 2004, 02:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 283 Joined: 30-September 03 From: Kenmore, NY, USA Member No.: 5,663 |
There are people who think that she is Hestaby or Orange Queen. I'm not sure if that is true or not.
I have returned! |
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Jan 24 2004, 03:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 283 Joined: 30-September 03 From: Kenmore, NY, USA Member No.: 5,663 |
This is stupid of me for not placing what evidence I have,
Charcoalgrin was considered an adult dragon in the Earthdawn era, this could allow her to grow into a great dragon by the sixth age. She also is somewhat isolated which seems very much the same as Hestaby. There are other things, however I would like to also hear what others have to say, and I have to look my other things up so that I can say them right. |
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Jan 24 2004, 03:37 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Not much to say. Her nickname comes from a black swath around her mouth, during the Scourge she laired in the Caucavic mountains, her sire was possibly active during the previous Age of magic.
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Jan 24 2004, 03:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
...Sorry to be an off-topic idiot, but k1tsune?...Your sig reminds me way too much of our group's resident Cat Shaman...I burst out silently laughing when I first read it. :rotfl:
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Jan 24 2004, 03:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
What's her base color?
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Jan 24 2004, 03:44 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
I don't believe it has ever been printed. Hell, I can't quite remember where I heard the thing about her nickname. 's been a while.
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Jan 24 2004, 03:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Yeah. It was a random comment that popped up when one of my players was picking a totem for his shaman. |
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Jan 24 2004, 04:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Hm.. "Charcoalgrin" and "Dunkelzahn." I know that they're different dragons, but I wonder if there's a reason they took similar names?
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Jan 24 2004, 04:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
Probably. Although I don't really question dragons or the like. I play the mundane, cybered, non-Awakened aspect of Shadowrun, and only recently have contemplated seriously making a magic user of any sort.
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Jan 24 2004, 04:48 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Um, similar? Dunkelzahn is German for Darktooth. Not quite sure how the two compare. :?
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Jan 24 2004, 04:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Well... They both refer to... you know. Dark teeth. Kinda. |
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Jan 24 2004, 04:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 3-October 03 Member No.: 5,677 |
...Brother and sister?
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Jan 24 2004, 04:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
My brain went dead. What was Dunkie's old name?
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Jan 24 2004, 05:04 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Mountainshadow IIRC.
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Jan 24 2004, 05:11 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Dunkie's waaay older than her. And blood relations don't mean much in dragon culture. Ohh. But if he was her sire (the Great Dragon who raised her)? Hm.. |
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Jan 24 2004, 09:41 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Worcester, MA Member No.: 5,621 |
it's my understanding that Dunkelzahn (i.e., darktooth) was the name of Mountainshadow's human aid during the ED time period. It's possible that the whole Darktooth-Charcoalgrin similarity is nothing more than coincidence when that is considered.
Though why a great dragon would take the name of a human servant dead these past thousand+ years is another question. |
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Jan 24 2004, 01:25 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
Dark Tooth is more probably the name Dunkelzahn himself use when he goes in human form. |
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Jan 24 2004, 02:50 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Charcoalgrin may have been raised by Mountainshadow/Dunkelzahn, but her age is such she could also have been raised by a dragon that was raised by Dunkelzahn that then became a Great Dragon. DUnkie's pretty damn old.
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Jan 24 2004, 03:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Yeah. That's true. She was "just an adult" at the end of the Earthdawn era...
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Jan 24 2004, 07:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 283 Joined: 30-September 03 From: Kenmore, NY, USA Member No.: 5,663 |
I think the "earthdawn age" is somewhere a bit beyond half through the forth age. Still quite high magicly.
I'm trying to remember if there is much of a true understanding how long an age is. I know there has been some speculation. Even in the Sourcebooks, just trying to primarily figure out which ones. I think it was in Aztlan, where they were talking about the Mayan and Aztek calenders. |
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Jan 24 2004, 07:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
An age is roughly 5,000 years, with the Scourge starting approximately at the 2,100 mark and lasting until about the 2,900 mark. More or less.
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Jan 24 2004, 08:58 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Although didn't the Therans mess about with how long it lasted last time or something? Granted it probably wouldn't have much relevance for this discussion though.
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