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post Aug 3 2009, 05:15 PM
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So Hollywood has discovered the shift in the mayan calendar:

2012

A.
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post Aug 3 2009, 06:59 PM
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I have no doubt in my mind that the world will end. But, God said he would judge the world in fire, and he said that he will come like a thief in the night - not even the Son (Jesus) would know the day of his arrival. Therefore, December 21, 2012 cannot be the day the world will end. I also would like to respectfully disagree that the Mayan civilization is the earliest civilization of man.

Makes for a good story, though.
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post Aug 3 2009, 07:11 PM
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"Mayan Tech Support reporting as ordered oh great god king. I can see your busy with that sting ray so i'll come back....."
"Hey just a moment you, I was looking at that calendar you came up with, fine piece of work there. I gotta say though being the forward thinking god king I am i'm a bit concerned about roll over and some sort of Y2012k conversion isssue. We get a few more tons of stone in here we could get this licked ahead of time."
"With all due respect your majesty by then i fully expect our great civilization to have invented computers and rendered the whole thing moot"
"Ah yes an excellent thought, and showing great foresight, greater then your king perhaps. Report for sacrifice underling"
*sighs* "Yes my leige"

Yea, that's how i always envision it, so to say the least i'm not particularly worried and the mayans arn't around to tell me "We told you so" in the event they were right.


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post Aug 3 2009, 07:47 PM
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I wonder will the companies who start making that 2012 end of world stuff have a money back guarantee?
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post Aug 3 2009, 07:58 PM
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I'll pass on the movie. If the apocalypse comes, I'll deal with it then. I have to delegate my energies elsewhere.
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post Aug 3 2009, 08:26 PM
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I remember that five years ago people were saying that the Mayan had foreseen the "end of the world" in 2005.
Anyway, I don't know if the Shadowrun world (magic back to the world) would be a good thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Aug 3 2009, 08:41 PM
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Maybe instead of end of the world something like Awakening happens...
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post Aug 3 2009, 09:26 PM
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Actually its just the end of the 4th cycle... You know what comes next? The 5th cycle... IIRC each cycle is about 5k years (been awhile since I studied Mayan history). So they have been recording the cycle of the stars and planets for 20k years.
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post Aug 3 2009, 09:44 PM
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The only thing that I find rather intriguing about the whole thing, and one of the more plausible disaster theories is the hypothesis surrounding Sagittarius A, a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy.

The coles notes version of the theory is that according astronomical projections, sometime in late 2012 we will have an astronomical event where the sun, the earth and Sagittarius A converge, basically it would be like a solar eclipse, but with the sun eclipsing the black hole. The theory goes that this will basically be like crossing the equivalent of the galactic equator, something that could in turn cause the earths magnetic field to flip and make the North pole become the South pole and vice versa.

It probably won't cause an apocalypse, after all the poles have switched back and forth many times in the past but it could cause some major weather disturbances, not to mention cause absolute chaos with our navigation and computer systems. Not doomsday, but still a hell of a mess.
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post Aug 3 2009, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (tete @ Aug 4 2009, 12:26 AM) *
Actually its just the end of the 4th cycle... You know what comes next? The 5th cycle... IIRC each cycle is about 5k years (been awhile since I studied Mayan history). So they have been recording the cycle of the stars and planets for 20k years.

So we are still 5003 years away from awakening? Dang, was hoping to see it already but guess will have to reincarnate few more times before that...
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post Aug 3 2009, 09:53 PM
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yay for modern computer rendering abilities, as it allows them to stuff all kinds of heavy hitting symbolism into their movies...

thanks, but i think ill pass on this one...
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post Aug 4 2009, 12:30 AM
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Have you ever heard of 'Dark Star'?
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post Aug 4 2009, 12:54 AM
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sounds familiar...
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post Aug 4 2009, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE (tete @ Aug 3 2009, 03:26 PM) *
Actually its just the end of the 4th cycle... You know what comes next? The 5th cycle... IIRC each cycle is about 5k years (been awhile since I studied Mayan history). So they have been recording the cycle of the stars and planets for 20k years.



Actually this is the end of the 5th Cycle...
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post Aug 4 2009, 12:59 AM
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If I remember correctly the actual calander just says that there will be massive changes and that society will never be the same.

Still, personally I'm going to see the movie once it comes out on pay-per-view. ( I HATE "going to the movies" and only do so while on a date. )
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post Aug 4 2009, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE (imperialus @ Aug 3 2009, 05:44 PM) *
The only thing that I find rather intriguing about the whole thing, and one of the more plausible disaster theories is the hypothesis surrounding Sagittarius A, a supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy.

The coles notes version of the theory is that according astronomical projections, sometime in late 2012 we will have an astronomical event where the sun, the earth and Sagittarius A converge, basically it would be like a solar eclipse, but with the sun eclipsing the black hole. The theory goes that this will basically be like crossing the equivalent of the galactic equator, something that could in turn cause the earths magnetic field to flip and make the North pole become the South pole and vice versa.


Problem is this solar system is nowhere near the center of the galaxy, we're out on one of the spiral arms. There's a lot between us and it.
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post Aug 4 2009, 09:45 AM
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I've read somewhere that Mayans didn't say that it was going to be an Apocalypse, but it's just that an end of a Cycle isn't something you see everyday, so it's a great pretext for a big party. (Which I expect to have, to express my deep respect for the Mayan culture). It's as much Doomsday as the end of the Unix Timestamp is going to be a Doomsday.

As for the galatic alignement, it occurs regularly and the most precise had been in 1998... I'm not sure if France winning the FIFA World Cup qualifies as doomsday.
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post Aug 4 2009, 01:37 PM
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The history of the long count is each prior age, man was made of a different material. Since man failed to perform, the world was destroyed by different things, such as rain, fire, or getting eaten by a giant, space jaguar. This is indeed the fourth age, and we're closing in on the fifth age.

I've heard mixed reports on what will happen when the Mayan long count turns over. The most compelling one is that it won't be the end of the world, but the end of an era. This meshes well (well being a few centuries difference, depending on who you ask) with Western astrology, which says we're soon to enter the age of Aquarius. It's a shift in ideologies, in the basic functionality of the world and the spiritual nature of man.

Of course, looking at the Mayan creation myth, we have to wonder, 'if we don't meet the gods expectations, will we follow those humans who came before, and were wiped from the Earth'? But that's hard to speculate on.

While I was visiting Tikal, I asked our guide what'll happen at the end of December, 2012. He said they'd turn over their calendars and start 2013. But I'm not sure I really believe him. He also said the Mayans probably didn't sacrifice hundreds of people simultaneously in an orgy of blood, but instead preferred to sacrifice squashes and bananas. Sounds like he's just trying to play it all down.
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post Aug 4 2009, 04:02 PM
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So here's a question:
Did anyone who believes in this "EOD on 2012" ever think that the reason the Mayan Calendar ends is because they decided that they didn't really need to know whether January 1st 2013 starts on a tuesday or a friday? Maybe they just didn't care about what was going on 5000 years down the line...hmmm? Just something to think about...because personally, I think that anything that happens in 2012 will simply be part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. As in, we think civilization is going to end so we Nuke each other...well..civilization sure ended, but it was our fault...

Personally, I'm just hoping that no good games come out in November of that year.
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post Aug 4 2009, 04:12 PM
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i suspect its basically that they found some astrological elements that would return to the same location as when they started observing it, and based everything on that...
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post Aug 4 2009, 05:53 PM
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If it is indeed the Awakening I hope I get my horns and tusks....

... and fireballs!!


I do like how CGI has got to the point where you can have so much death and destruction on screen at the same time. Would not have happened with the 70's version: 2012- It's a Disaster! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 4 2009, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE (Ogrebear @ Aug 4 2009, 01:53 PM) *
If it is indeed the Awakening I hope I get my horns and tusks....

... and fireballs!!


Well...you'll have to wait for that I think...it took what, 20 years or something for goblinization to start? We'll just have a few Elf and Dwarf babies running around for awhile...
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post Aug 4 2009, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE (Mr. Mage @ Aug 4 2009, 06:55 PM) *
Well...you'll have to wait for that I think...it took what, 20 years or something for goblinization to start? We'll just have a few Elf and Dwarf babies running around for awhile...


Magic on the other hand, is something we could all look forward to (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)
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post Aug 4 2009, 05:59 PM
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And Dragons... And HMHVV... And Dragons... And Hellhounds... And MORE Dragons.
Also, I would probably be deported from my homeland when Hualpa took over...
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post Aug 4 2009, 06:09 PM
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Apocalypse isn't necessarily a bad thing. It just means a change in the world as we know it. As much as disaster movies sell, it could just mark the beginning of the era of hugs and talking rabbits.



Actually, that'd be fucked up enough to end my world.
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