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The Jake
post Aug 26 2009, 01:49 PM
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Since the Infected aren't technically undead, this means they are in more of a grey category than most other types of vampires in fiction.

Do SR vampires actually enjoy sex? I don't know if this has ever been touched on (be it intentional or not) but I am suprised this hasn't come up previously.

No relevance to my campaign but I am curious, fluff wise, which way the wind blows.

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post Aug 26 2009, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (The Jake @ Aug 26 2009, 08:49 AM) *
Since the Infected aren't technically undead, this means they are in more of a grey category than most other types of vampires in fiction.

Do SR vampires actually enjoy sex? I don't know if this has ever been touched on (be it intentional or not) but I am suprised this hasn't come up previously.

No relevance to my campaign but I am curious, fluff wise, which way the wind blows.

Cheers

- J.

I don't see why not.
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post Aug 26 2009, 02:46 PM
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Given that they are just (meta)humans infected with a virus I'd say yes. I think that the default assumption on anything not specified should be "as human". Not to mention the various strains that can sexually reproduce.

In that spirit though, and given that PC Vampire/Nosferatu etc. are templates, does a human with a vampire template still have a starting Edge of 2? It seems implicit in the rules as the other metatypes get to keep their racial advantages. Any thoughts?

Running Wild pg. 58
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All expressions also show an increase in raw physical strength.
For most, this is a magical condition akin to a permanent spell,
though for some it simply represents a significant increase in overall
muscle mass. No matter the cause, however, such increased strength
can make dealing with their prey a much easier task than it might be
otherwise; the typical vampire, for instance, can physically take on
the typical troll and reasonably expect to hold its own.


Whilst this could be dismissed as purely fluff this did used to be the case under previous editions. In 4th Edition the infected power structure (attribute wise anyway) has been radically altered with Vampires/Nosferatu weaker physically than Orks, what gives?

Finally, induced dormancy? Why do only vampires have this power? What happens to other infected when there's no air? Do they take damage like everyone else? Presumably yes. Can they regenerate this damage? Possibly yes (technically it's a "yes" under RAW) Is that an indirect way of saying they don't need to breathe? Do they need to breathe (given they are still living I'd say yes, but who knows!) All in all induced dormancy is a strange weakness and I'm not really sure what it is all about. Anyone care to shed any light on it?

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post Aug 26 2009, 02:46 PM
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Heh. I just had a horrible thought regarding vampires, Regeneration, and virginity. Reminds me of that old Thieves World tale about the virgin goddess.
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post Aug 26 2009, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (Ancient History @ Aug 26 2009, 09:46 AM) *
Heh. I just had a horrible thought regarding vampires, Regeneration, and virginity. Reminds me of that old Thieves World tale about the virgin goddess.


Came up on True Blood this season.
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post Aug 26 2009, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 26 2009, 09:52 AM) *
Came up on True Blood this season.

Darn, you beat me to it. *grin*
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post Aug 26 2009, 03:10 PM
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I had no idea.

Shiny new change of topic: ShaunClinton! Yes, infection modifies the character's attributes; they keep their racial attributes if any. An ork is an ork, of course of course, even if it's an ogre wendigo.
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post Aug 26 2009, 04:08 PM
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I think that it's all a matter about how much the infection fucks up the infected's brain, vampires are definitely human enough to enjoy it, some ghouls are some aren't, wendigos probably enjoy it (and the snack afterward), other types of infected? Maybe, all in all it's all about what the story calls for, you could have a feral ghouls that when is not out for feeding is out for mating (and probably the mate's willingness does not matter), for example.
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post Aug 26 2009, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (The Jake @ Aug 26 2009, 03:49 PM) *
Do SR vampires actually enjoy sex?


Only if you're good enough.
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post Aug 26 2009, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (The Jake @ Aug 26 2009, 08:49 AM) *
Do SR vampires actually enjoy sex?


Don't let your Ally Spirit hear you asking that. She might get jealous.
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post Aug 26 2009, 10:25 PM
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They might not enjoy Bubba the Love Troll as much as others... But physiologically speaking, they would get off.

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post Aug 26 2009, 10:31 PM
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Seeing as most of the fiction about vampires seems to involve kinky sex in some form or another, I'm going to say they enjoy it. WoD I think delved a bit too deeply into it, what with being able to spend a blood point to "get it to work", of course for female vampires, that is just a whole new level of graphic detail.
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post Aug 27 2009, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 26 2009, 05:31 PM) *
Seeing as most of the fiction about vampires seems to involve kinky sex in some form or another, I'm going to say they enjoy it. WoD I think delved a bit too deeply into it, what with being able to spend a blood point to "get it to work", of course for female vampires, that is just a whole new level of graphic detail.

You say "involve kinky sex in some form or another" like it's a BAD thing...
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post Aug 27 2009, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug 26 2009, 09:41 PM) *
You say "involve kinky sex in some form or another" like it's a BAD thing...


its only kinky the first time.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

on subject, I can't see why vampires wouldn't. at least nothing I have seen i the books. and its so much more fun to play a randy bloodsucker that a mopey,angsty,emo vampire anyways. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)
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post Aug 27 2009, 02:52 AM
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One of the Shadowrun novels, the one that introduced Martin De Vries in fact had vmapires being forced into a harmless topor state by asphixiating them. They were kept in stasis in this matter by an Ordo Maximus affiliated lab if memeory hasn't fallen too badly in the ten or more years since I last read the book in question. The other thing that sticks in my mind was the novel had Wolf of Wolf & Raven in it but it was mostly a cameo to give Devries some street cred.
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post Aug 27 2009, 03:40 AM
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QUOTE (Kerenshara @ Aug 26 2009, 09:41 PM) *
You say "involve kinky sex in some form or another" like it's a BAD thing...


Don't worry, I imply it like it's good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Aug 27 2009, 03:48 AM
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I think a lot of this is SR's early writers trying to cannibalize other sources of vampire lore. I think the induced dormancy is how SR pseudo-science made sense of the whole "vampires can't cross over water" business you read about in vampire legends. Presumably if they have wonky buoyancy and induced dormancy then falling into water = a long long nap...

On vampire sex: the first asexual vampire paradigm I know of was Anne Rice's writing, and I think that the idea there was that if you are immortal and don't procreate sex holds little interest. Plus draining the life force out of someone was supposed to be so orgasmic the physical act paled in comparison.
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post Aug 27 2009, 11:22 AM
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Dracula also had its issues with sex, so did Vampyr. But then again they were smut of their time.

I think if a vampire takes enough viagra he can get it on. Ejaculation does not necessarily mean orgasm. Nor does orgasm preclude ejaculation. Some people even get more off on having their partner orgasm then they do.

As an aside, are vampires then into auto-asphyxia?
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post Aug 27 2009, 11:55 AM
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My view is that vampires do get off on it, given they aren't technically dead and blood still works in their system. Unless there is an official writer who would argue otherwise...

- J.
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post Aug 27 2009, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Aug 27 2009, 01:22 PM) *
Dracula also had its issues with sex, so did Vampyr. But then again they were smut of their time.

I think if a vampire takes enough viagra he can get it on. Ejaculation does not necessarily mean orgasm. Nor does orgasm preclude ejaculation. Some people even get more off on having their partner orgasm then they do.

As an aside, are vampires then into auto-asphyxia?



I don't think that viagra is a good idea, I think that ingesting it can have negative effect if you are a creature that can ingest only blood.
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post Aug 27 2009, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Chrysalis @ Aug 27 2009, 04:22 AM) *
Dracula also had its issues with sex, so did Vampyr. But then again they were smut of their time.
Bram Stoker's vampires were overtly sexual. He just couldn't state that plainly to a Victorian audience.
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post Aug 27 2009, 06:05 PM
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I see no reason why a vampire should have any issues with sex (other than any psychological hang-ups they may have anyway. I'm picturing Woody Allen infected with HMHVV I, now).

It's an infection that causes you to hunger for blood and the life force of others. I hunger for some pizza at the moment, it doesn't mean that I am suddenly aesexual. I don't even see any reason why a vampire can't have children (though if conception occured whilst uninfected, the fetus could be put at risk by the transformation). Whether or not the child itself was infected, would depend if the disease could breach the (Method - you'll know what it's called) thingamagic barrier.

That's my opinion on it anyway. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to make a pizza and stat up Woody Allen as a vampire. ("I, well, I was going to bite her but then I realised, I hadn't brushed my teeth, and well, you know, it seemed kind of rude, so I was looking for at least some floss or something you know, but the Stuffer Shack was closed, and...").

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post Aug 27 2009, 06:15 PM
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I would theorize that SR vampires cannot procreate. If the virus causes immunity to age then presumably it somehow retards cellular metabolism or division, which would preclude life in a fetus.
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post Aug 27 2009, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (knasser @ Aug 27 2009, 06:05 PM) *
I don't even see any reason why a vampire can't have children (though if conception occured whilst uninfected, the fetus could be put at risk by the transformation). Whether or not the child itself was infected, would depend if the disease could breach the (Method - you'll know what it's called) thingamagic barrier.


QUOTE (RC P.77 Born Infected sidebar)
Only bandersnatchii, fomóraig, ghouls, and
loup-garou can reproduce in this manner—banshees,
dzoo-noo-qua, goblins, nosferatu, vampires, and
wendigo pass the virus along in the germ line, and
the fetus fails to develop properly.
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post Aug 28 2009, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE (kanislatrans @ Aug 26 2009, 09:45 PM) *
emo vampire

Did you really just say "emo vampire"?

OK, I think I'm going to calmly walk away and kill myself now, just to make sure I never see one.
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