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RedmondLarry
post Jan 28 2004, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jan 27 2004, 07:33 PM)
Rereading the original post, we've missed yet another point. Defaulting is forbidden for TNs over 8.

Come on guys, do that many of you not know the rule? Kagetenshi is wrong on this and 4 posters just let it slide? Hmmm. Perhaps I should make a Shadowrun Rules Quiz.

And people in Boston, Chicago, and New York do learn a driving skill. They can't default to Reaction for normal driving if they want to avoid accidents. Boston is the safest place I know to accidently run a red light, because all the other drivers expect you to do it.
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post Jan 28 2004, 04:49 AM
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Really? *Digs out rulebook*
Edit: Meesh, you're right. "Eight or higher". My brain is going (to the extent that it was ever here).


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post Jan 28 2004, 07:59 AM
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Why the sam doesn't turn on his autonav is beyond me.

But hey, maybe that's your answer. His autonav recognizes the sam's obvious distress, and red flags him. Since Sam the Sam doesn't have any Car skill, he doesn't know how to override it properly. I can see it now:

"OhFragOhFragOhFragOhFrag I gotta hurry!"

"Pardon me, sir, but our galvometric monitors have detected that your pulse rate is unacceptably high. Would you like us to call the paramedics?"

"No, you stupid junkpile! I gotta get there fast!"

"Pardon me, but we have detected that you have attempted to travel at an unsafe velocity. Your command has been automatically overriden. Do you wish to program a location into the autonav?"

"No, you fragging hunk of junk! We gotta fly!"

"Pardon me, but we have detected that you have attempted to travel at an unsafe velocity. Your command has been automatically overriden. Do you wish to program a location into the autonav?"

*Pound* *Pound* "Just" *pound* "start" *pound* "moving!"

"Pardon me, but we have detected that you have attempted to travel at an unsafe velocity. Your command has been automatically overriden. Do you wish to program a location into the autonav?"

"Damn it! How do I shut off this damn computer! Maybe if I grab those wires..."

BEEP BEEP BEEP. "Pardon me, but our sensors have determined that there is a possible intrusion in this vehicle. For your safety, all functions have been terminated. Please remain seated, and the proper authorites will be notified. We apologize for any inconvenience. In the meanwhile, for your comfort, we will be providing a selection of light music. Would you prefer a selection of Manilow or Baccarach?"

"ARRRGGGGHHHH!"

"I'm sorry, we don't appear to have any music by 'Arrgh' in memory. Would you prefer a selection of Manilow or Baccarach?"

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post Jan 28 2004, 10:28 AM
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If he has never driven before, he makes a test to 'start' the ar - that test is not modified by all those pesky TN penalties. Only stressful situation applies. Once he has started the car, he can calmly drive out of the alley. Now, if he tries to speed out of it and make a handbrake turn onto the street, he will fail and has to make a crash test. Which he also will fail.

Also, if he has never driven before you might want to have him make a test to arrive at his destination (assuming he isn't having the car drive there, of course) and maybe a test to stop how and where he wants to.

But once he has the hang of the basic stuff, he won't need to make those pesky tests unless he needs to do something other than normal driving.
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post Jan 28 2004, 08:47 PM
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On 5 of those rolls I generated at least one success at TN 12 (remember, thats TN 8 *before* defaulting to reaction... defaulting to an attribute adds +4 to the TN).

Ah yes. I was working from a TN of 8 and not 12.
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post Jan 29 2004, 02:38 AM
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As long as you drive relatively safely (no more than 20% over the posted speed limit), you shouldn't be required to make a vehicle check, whether you possess the skill or not..

Oh, and if you want to have fun, try driving in downtown Houston, chumps.. Don't forget that the south has more cars per person than the north.. And Houston much larger (and has a much more complex infrastructure) than New York, Boston, or Chicago.
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post Jan 29 2004, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE (LoseAsDirected)
Oh, and if you want to have fun, try driving in downtown Houston, chumps.. Don't forget that the south has more cars per person than the north.. And Houston much larger (and has a much more complex infrastructure) than New York, Boston, or Chicago.

Pfffff and you dont get snow. Need I go on? Im with Kagetenshi on this one, the only place worse then MA for driving is Jersey...cause they are just all f*cking crazy down there...

And seriously, whats the Sammy thinking about dropping that kinda coin on a car, and not being able to drive it. Literally, he needs to go take drivers ed.
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post Jan 29 2004, 03:02 AM
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QUOTE (Lindt)
QUOTE (LoseAsDirected @ Jan 28 2004, 09:38 PM)
Oh, and if you want to have fun, try driving in downtown Houston, chumps.. Don't forget that the south has more cars per person than the north.. And Houston much larger (and has a much more complex infrastructure) than New York, Boston, or Chicago.

Pfffff and you dont get snow. Need I go on? Im with Kagetenshi on this one, the only place worse then MA for driving is Jersey...cause they are just all f*cking crazy down there...

And seriously, whats the Sammy thinking about dropping that kinda coin on a car, and not being able to drive it. Literally, he needs to go take drivers ed.

And I highly doubt that the majority of your driving population are drunk rednecks armed to the teeth..
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post Jan 29 2004, 03:28 AM
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Our cars are all the weapons we'll ever need, southerner.

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Postscript: I've seen Houston driving while down there visiting my girlfriend. The occasional crazy, but it's pretty tame IMO.
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post Jan 29 2004, 03:39 AM
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QUOTE (Lindt)
...the only place worse then MA for driving is Jersey...

You've obviously never driven in either Quebec or Mexico.
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post Jan 29 2004, 03:40 AM
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Depends what part of Mexico. I've seen places that aren't that bad.
Italy or Greece, now... Bostonians learned their driving from the folks in the North End, but that doesn't mean we were taught all the tricks.

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Edit: and in Greece... well, there's a custom of putting little shrines on the roadside next to a place where someone has died in a car accident. It's creepy to come to tight turns next to sheer drops where the roadside is packed thick with shrines, and people STILL insist on taking the turn at speed.
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post Jan 29 2004, 02:12 PM
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I think I read somewhere that the worst major city to drive in is Paris (probably determined by the ratio of people to accidents). I can believe it, honestly. When I was in Caracas, they made 3 lanes into 5, but at least there were rules (SUVs always got right of way, followed by buses, normal cars and trashy cars, you can hit anyone except for motorcycles, etc.) but Paris doesn't even have that much! Too crazy, high strung and crowded makes it a not nice place to drive.
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post Jan 29 2004, 03:48 PM
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Ok, I will relinquish the comment, because having seen rush hour in rome... *shiver* and to think I power a 2 ton v8 around...
Drove to Montreal once, odds are Ill take a small car next time.
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post Jan 29 2004, 05:50 PM
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From personal experience, Paris in general is bad but not really legendary. What pushes the entire city over the edge is the road around L'Arc De Triumph.

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post Jan 29 2004, 06:05 PM
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I suggest your sammie a new racing bike like here. Under the given circumstances he would have a TN 3 before defaulting to Reaction, so he can roll his 13 dice vs. TN 6. Of course he only needs to roll, if he is not "normal" driving, i.e. is at a wild chase through the backalleys...


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With a Reaction of 13 he should pretty much be succeeding on every try.

Sorry. The probability to succeed vs. TN 12 with 13 dice is 0.36, so every third time...
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post Jan 30 2004, 04:11 AM
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QUOTE (Gorath)
Sorry. The probability to succeed vs. TN 12 with 13 dice is 0.36, so every third time...

It is in fact .306
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