Silencing a Shotty, Or "Shoot softly and carry a big boomstick" |
Silencing a Shotty, Or "Shoot softly and carry a big boomstick" |
Oct 9 2009, 05:36 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 29-June 07 Member No.: 12,093 |
Going by Rules As Written it doesn't specifically forbid Shotguns (or Longarms in general) from using Silencers or Sound Suppressors. I can accept a suppressed Ares Alpha a lot more than a suppressed Remington 990.
But it seems to be okay. Thoughts? Have I missed something? |
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Oct 9 2009, 06:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-October 09 Member No.: 17,737 |
There are already shotty silencers (IIRC, there's a company in England that makes them) but current technology only allows a reduction in noise level of about 5-10db, compared to the 20-30db for a pistol/longarm silencer. I don't see any reason why 60 years of dystopian firearms technological advancement couldn't close that gap.
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Oct 9 2009, 06:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
IIRC, there is a "special purpose" soviet shotgun that used a round that fully contained the gas. The round would telescope out when fired. I can't remember if anyone has reported test-firing it.
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Oct 9 2009, 11:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 986 Joined: 29-June 07 Member No.: 12,093 |
Good enough for me, thanks guys. Wasn't much of a Longarms fellow till recently so this was rather new to me.
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Oct 10 2009, 04:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 |
One thing to keep in mind is that a silencer is used to reduce the noise level, bu also to alter it and change it's spectral caracteristics. This make it less audible but also less identifiable as a gunshot.
You can design a silencer even for very large weapons. It won't totaly silence it, but it will reduce it to the level of something much less powerful (like turning a .50 BMG antimaterial rifle into a 7.62). The largest specimen I've seen a picture of was a silencer for a tank ! Granted, the thing was a static mount, several meters long and probably weighting several tons, but it existed. It was part of a testing range and I guess it's purpose was to make the overpressure and noise more bearable for the tank crew and observers, and also reduce the neighborhood disturbance. |
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Oct 10 2009, 05:41 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Someone needs to brush up on their modern cinema.
I seem to remember a shotgun with a sort of rotary baffler in No Country For Old Men. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Oct 10 2009, 06:07 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 5-June 06 From: Phx AZ Member No.: 8,647 |
Pulling from my oh so great memory( ohhhh yeah) I seem to remember flechett weapons cannot be silenced. So the sound suppressor would work for slugs only. I think.
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Oct 10 2009, 08:18 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
The largest specimen I've seen a picture of was a silencer for a tank ! Granted, the thing was a static mount, several meters long and probably weighting several tons, but it existed. It was part of a testing range and I guess it's purpose was to make the overpressure and noise more bearable for the tank crew and observers, and also reduce the neighborhood disturbance. It's also hilariously shaped. -karma |
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Oct 10 2009, 11:23 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Pulling from my oh so great memory( ohhhh yeah) I seem to remember flechett weapons cannot be silenced. So the sound suppressor would work for slugs only. I think. Shot rounds are subsonic, so they work well with suppressors. Flechettes aren't shot though. They tend to tear through their wad too early, on account of the fins, and would easily get stuck in the suppressor. |
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Oct 10 2009, 11:35 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
Shot rounds are subsonic, so they work well with suppressors. Flechettes aren't shot though. They tend to tear through their wad too early, on account of the fins, and would easily get stuck in the suppressor. Come on now, you know full well you're not allowed to apply real world physics to a game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I don't remember ever seeing anything about flechette rounds being excluded from being silenced. |
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Oct 10 2009, 05:42 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Come on now, you know full well you're not allowed to apply real world physics to a game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I don't remember ever seeing anything about flechette rounds being excluded from being silenced. Because they are not excluded... None of the special ammunition is restricted from being silenced... though silencing the initial shot from a high velocity round is all well and good from the shooters perspective, the supersonic rounds tend to give away the game when they are used to target people... that Supersonic "crack" as the round passes through the atmosphere is not at all subtle, especially if you are intimitely familiar with the sound... want to silence firearms, use subsonic rounds, it makes it so much easier... |
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Oct 10 2009, 11:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 704 Joined: 20-November 06 From: The seemingly unknown area of land between Seattle and Idaho. Member No.: 9,910 |
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Oct 11 2009, 04:52 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
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Oct 11 2009, 06:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 90 |
Someone needs to brush up on their modern cinema. I seem to remember a shotgun with a sort of rotary baffler in No Country For Old Men. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) Which is complete Hollywood-Bullshit. To the limits of my research ability nobody had developed any type of shotgun silencer back in 1979/1980 time period when that movie was set. Even then if it did exist it would probably be at least twice as large/long as the one seen in the movie if not more and would not even reduce the noise level anywhere near what was shown in the movie. Even modern day shotgun silencers are not that good. |
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Oct 11 2009, 07:05 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
Which is complete Hollywood-Bullshit. To the limits of my research ability nobody had developed any type of shotgun silencer back in 1979/1980 time period when that movie was set. Even then if it did exist it would probably be at least twice as large/long as the one seen in the movie if not more and would not even reduce the noise level anywhere near what was shown in the movie. Even modern day shotgun silencers are not that good. No need to get so worked up over it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) At least 95% of anything related to science (physics in particular) in a movie is Hollywood Bull. Guns and gunshots fall under physics (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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