Seeking Seattle runners…, Recruitment thread for a PbP game in Seattle, 2072 Options

[DigitalOYABUN]

And Joel, I just noticed you live in Leesburg VA., I live in Leesburg FL. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[BlueMax]

The questionnaire is interesting, as it forces me to say more than just "he's a Troll with a lot of knives." (Actually, I did start saying more than that, but ...)

Mach / Joel

Its interesting to a point. Its like Electromagnetics homework. Counter-inuitive, repetitive and long. But I guess it gets the answers in your mind before the questions are asked.

/me ducks

BlueMax

[Karoline]

I actually took In debt. Largely because Kerenshara sent such a big grin when I asked about it.
I'm going to have to pay off 22,500 nuyen and 30 karma. Although I hope to pay part of the karma with a replacement negative quality.

The other reason was that it was just enough money to flesh out the equipment in ways that made sense.

For life style, I ended up with middle everything, high security, living in a mixed metarace apartment building. Due to background, it just didn't make sense to lower any of the components further.

The questionnaire is interesting, as it forces me to say more than just "he's a Troll with a lot of knives." (Actually, I did start saying more than that, but ...)

Mach / Joel

AFAIK you don't have to pay off the in debt quality with karma at all. It wouldn't make much sense after all that you have to pay karma in order to give someone money. You technically still have the quality, it just doesn't affect you any more. Remember that every other quality that can be circumvented by in-game measures specifically includes mention of having to buy off the quality in the process, but In Debt makes no mention of ever having to buy off the quality. It would be a horrendous quality otherwise, because it would cost you nuyen and net you no karma.

Also, how long is everyone else's questionair? I'm at 12 pages with only the dreams question left.

[BlueMax]

Also, how long is everyone else's questionair? I'm at 12 pages with only the dreams question left.

My first draft is much much shorter. Orb is a creature of few words and worst of all, it said "In character". I assumed it would be filled out online and well, being an E-scapist.... in character and online spells trouble. So I whipped up a whole case of trouble.


BlueMax

[adamu]

Hello.
I just want people to know I am still around.
The master of our universe knows this because of daily e-mails and PMs.
But I realized it might be courteous to let the other players know as well.

[JoelHalpern]

DigitalOYABUN: You mean that town that shows up every time I forget to specify the state when looking for my local information? I never actually looked to figure out where in Florrida it is. (I'm about 50 miles northwest of Washington D.C.)

Karoline: The board discussion of In Debt seems to be all over the place as to whether one has to pay of the Karma as well as the money. There are arguments both ways. I will say that I started out assuming your reading. I am not so sure Kerenshara is assuming that, because otherwise it is basically free points. But I'll let her speak when she chooses.

Single-spaces, with some white space to break things up, Mach's profile was almost 11 pages.
If I get the energy I'll probalby post the character sheet. It just takes work to get the formatting right. And I'll probalby wait for our GM to vet it first.

Yours,
Mach / Joel

[Kerenshara]

Follks, I'm sorry I haven't been around much the last day and a half, but I've been down with a sinus infection, and they seriously kick my hoop. I am doing a bit better, and I will try to catch up tomorrow for everybody since I will be sitting around waiting around for UPS and my new T400s to be delivered. I've got a pile of PMs, questions, material to (print and) read and answers to craft.

Don't stop what you're doing on my account.

[Marwynn]

Get better Kerenshara! Seems we're all passing around some nasty stuff.

This stuff can wait.

[Embers]

The arrival of your new electronics will make you feel better. Nothing like the pick me up of quality toys.

[Karoline]

Karoline: The board discussion of In Debt seems to be all over the place as to whether one has to pay of the Karma as well as the money. There are arguments both ways. I will say that I started out assuming your reading. I am not so sure Kerenshara is assuming that, because otherwise it is basically free points. But I'll let her speak when she chooses.

I understand where the free points argument comes from kinda, because the quality doesn't last the length of the game like others do, so it is 'free' points in that it only costs you 750 nuyen per karma to pay off your debt, which is fairly cheap. On the other hand, having to pay it off means that you end up paying karma for nothing at all. It isn't like your getting rid of some long lasting penalty or anything like that. And if the first thing you do after character creation is pay off your debt, then there wasn't any real point in taking the disadvantage in the first place, because you've spent more nuyen than you got from the quality (Which totally makes sense) -and- you've broken even on karma since you had to buy it off.

In short if you have to buy In Debt off with karma, then the only thing the quality does in the end is cost you 2500 nuyen per level, which means that it is utterly pointless and there is no reason to ever take it beyond story reasons.

Still, it is up to Keren. Sorry to hear that you were feeling so poorly, I thought you weren't talking nearly as much as normal. Glad that you're getting better though.

[pbangarth]

In short if you have to buy In Debt off with karma, then the only thing the quality does in the end is cost you 2500 nuyen per level, which means that it is utterly pointless and there is no reason to ever take it beyond story reasons.

Still, it is up to Keren. Sorry to hear that you were feeling so poorly, I thought you weren't talking nearly as much as normal. Glad that you're getting better though.

Except, that In Debt is a Negative Quality, so it also brings with it the opportunity to balance it with a Positive Quality. So in calculating its worth, one needs to take into account the Positive Quality that came with it.

}}}}} Mojo of healing sent towards Kerenshara {{{{{

[Karoline]

Except, that In Debt is a Negative Quality, so it also brings with it the opportunity to balance it with a Positive Quality. So in calculating its worth, one needs to take into account the Positive Quality that came with it.

Not really, because you could have used the 10 karma used to buy off In Debt to instead buy a positive quality. Or more notably, you could get the quality anyway, and instead take fewer skills, and then buy those skills up with karma in game. Or take fewer points worth of stats and improve those with that karma.

Also, it should be kept in mind that there are plenty of other qualities you can get, it isn't as though In Debt is an absolute requirement for getting positive qualities or anything. I still hold by the fact that every quality that needs to be bought off to bypass it (Blindness, deafness, allergies, ect) state explicitly that they require being bought off with karma. In Debt notably lacks any mention of paying karma in such a way.

[BlueMax]

I am defeated by formatting. If anyone has any tips on how to get even and clear spacing when posting a character, hit me up.

BlueMax

[JoelHalpern]

I've never gotten a posted character to look reasonable. I'd be interested if someone tells you a good way to do it.

Yours,
Joel

[pbangarth]

It appears to me as if the system has built into it a filter that removes multiple contiguous blanks and tabs. So I suspect getting pretty spacing will be really difficult.

[BlueMax]

I have an urge to just PDF the character and link to it.

BlueMax
/who is at work
// and therefore cant upload anyway

[Karoline]

You can use the "Lucida Console" font. It has even spacing. I believe there is also a way to insert tabs, though I'll have to double check on that.

[milk ducks]

Wow, this is a long questionnaire, lol.

-milk.

[Karoline]

Wow, this is a long questionnaire, lol.

-milk.

Oh come on, it only makes the SAT look like a pop quiz (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Embers]

Is everyone ending up with 13 pages or am I too short?

[Karoline]

Is everyone ending up with 13 pages or am I too short?

I think you hold the current longest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Mine is only 12 full pages, but I have the dream question still to do, and that could get long.

[DigitalOYABUN]

I'm at 10, but not even close to done. Of course I plan on editting it for conciseness.

[BlueMax]

Preface: I have never made a character with the Karma system before. I expect this the be error filled. As for maximizing, its not:P

Any help appreciated.

[ Spoiler ]

CODE

Body 6 0Aug Total 800
Agility 5 42
Reaction 5 42 7
Strength 5 0
Charima 3 15
Intuition 4 27 B&E 13550
Logic 5 42 Medical 5000
Willpower 6 60 Wheels 9000
228 Armor 3800
Edge 3 15 Comm 5700
Resonance 6 60 7 Optics 1950
Physical IP 1 3 75 Ears 930
39930
Electronics (Group) 4 55 B&E gear
Cracking (Group) 4 55 Cellular glove molder 3 600
Influence (Group) 2 20 autopicker 6 1200
Compiling 4 22 Keycard copier 6 1800
Registering 4 22 Lockpick set 300
Stealth (Group) 3 30 Maglock Passkey 4 8000
miniwelder 250
Atletics (Group) 2 20 Wire Clippers 25
Locksmith 3 14 Glue Sprayer 150
Unarmed Combat 2 8 climbing Gear 200
Pilot GroundCraft 3 14 10 light stcks 50
260 survival kit 100
Grappke Gun 500
Paragon (Alias) 10 Catalyst Stick 120
Analytical Mind 10 Stealth Rope 300m 255
Code Slinger (Compiling Sprites) 20 13550
Erased 20
Signature -20 Medical
Addiction (moderate) -20
Nano Intolerance -10 Doc Wagon Basic 5000
Thrill Seeker -10 5000
Technomancer ( E-Scapist) 10
Wheels
Suzuki Mirage 6500
10 Rigger adaption 2500
9000

Analyze 6 22
Exploit 6 22
Scan 6 22
Stealth 6 22 Armor
Shielding 6 22 Armor Jacket 900
Urban Explorer Jumpsuit 500
Helme 50
Body Armor Bag 750
110 FFBA Half Suit 900
Bike Racing Armor 500
Money Helmet 200
40,000 3800
16 Commlink
Renraku Sensi 1000
Renraku Ichi 400
Contacts Loyalty Connection Karma Dispossable Commlink 300
Fingers(TM, NeoNet) 4 4 16 Fake SIN rating 4 4000
Gang Leader(you name both) 2 2 8 5700
Star (fixer) 2 2 8
Jim (Urban Brawl Coach) 2 2 8 Optics
Googles Rating 6 300
flare comp 50
low light 100
40 smartlink[bionode s 500
ultrasound 1000
Lang knowledge vision mag 100
English(american) N 1950
Or'zet 3 7 Ears
Urban Brawl 4 11 Ear buds 30
Origami 4 11 audio enhancement 3 300
Net security procedures 4 11 select sound 3 600
Hideouts 4 11 930
Stuffer foods 3 7
Soy 1 2


Immersion
Grade 1 (Biowire) 11Initial Karma
Grade 2 (Acceleration 1) 13
Grade 3 (Acceleration 2) 16
Resonance 7 21 61

[JoelHalpern]

BlueMax: Mostly, looks quite nice. A couple of questions though:
You list Body as 6, for no cost. I presume that this is actually body 5, +1 natural armor? (The armor is not the same as body, for example for toxin or healing tests.)
You seem to have initiated (submerged) 3 times. I thought Kerenshara had specified only one initiation (submersion) from the 50 karma. I may have misunderstood. I also thought she said that if you used extra karma for initiation, you had to make sure your relevant stat was one less than maximum. (On the other hand, I can easily understand her choosing to relax this for a TM. TMs have lots of problems, and lots of neat.)
You listed the costs of initiation as 11, 13, and 16. It looks like you were taking into account the party, which gives a 20% discount. The nice thing about that is that it rounds in your favor, giving costs of 10, 13, and 15. Have 3 Karma.

Yours,
Joel

[Embers]

It was 1 immersion/initiation from the initial 750 Karma, and do whatever you want for the other 50 karma from what I remember.