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> Quickening/Tattooing, It's like Wired Reflexes. On your skin!
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post Jan 31 2004, 09:29 AM
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So. I've got a shaman, and it's getting to that time where I need to start thinking about initiation. And upon study of Tattooing metamagic, I decided that not only could this be useful as hell, it'd also be a good way to get some cash, too.

But here's the question.

Is tattooing a separate metamagic technique from quickening?
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post Jan 31 2004, 10:05 AM
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Yes - both techniques can be found in the Magic in the Shadows book. Keep in mind that putting a quickened spell on someone else is going to show your astral signature to anyone who assenses them. Also remember that unless you have masking, wards will be real trouble. You can't turn quickened spells "off", so wards will stop you - even if you bring them down, you are still alerting the mage who created the ward.
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post Jan 31 2004, 02:33 PM
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Warning though, the rules for tattooing are very vague... Ideally, it would appear that the meta technique is not really intended for self-usage, but rather on 'others'. Tattooing yourself can be quite difficult.... The rules kinda imply that you have to do it all, get the components (can't buy them... ??? ), do the tattooing, cast the spell, and quicken it all at the same time. Needless to say, this has led to some House Ruling in our group. We allow you to buy the materials, and even have someone else do the tattooing, you just cast and sustain the spell throughout the tattooing process. Something to think about as you approach that decision making process.

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post Jan 31 2004, 03:14 PM
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Hey Glyph, I though that quickening was just like a spell sustaining focus (without the focus). I also thought that you could "power-down" the focus, and therefor quickening, thus solving the ward problem.

Personally, I like the old grounding rules. :evil:
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post Jan 31 2004, 05:46 PM
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well you can always (try) to alter your astral signature. (IMO it should be bit da easier)
until the trouble comes trough the door or you keep it public, you can make quite nice chunk of money with tattooing.
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post Jan 31 2004, 05:53 PM
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Yeah, tatooing yourself could be a bit problematic... Also, it's a very rare metamagical skill, you'll have to spend quite a bit of time looking for someone who can teach it to you (remember, metamagic isn't spontanously learned, it's taught)
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post Jan 31 2004, 06:41 PM
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Can't you go on an astral quest to learn a metamagic at the Citadel?
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post Jan 31 2004, 06:44 PM
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Yep.

Or learn it from someone in your magical group.
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post Jan 31 2004, 07:10 PM
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Improve Reflexes 3 has always been the best spell to use on yourself for quickening purposes. Nearly as good as wired reflexes (IIRC it doesn't give you bonus reaction) and due to the stupid way the reflex-boosting spells were created in canon, you only need force 1 and 1 success to do it since more successes and more force don't add anything to those spells. And that also means it only requires 1 karma to quicken it, although more will certainly help against wards and dispelling.
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post Jan 31 2004, 07:52 PM
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Actually, Improved Willpower is the best spell to Quicken on yourself. :P Especially if you've got a karma pool of 3+ (rerolls) and can get about (MagicRating*2) force points in expendable foci to help you cast it. ;)

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post Jan 31 2004, 08:22 PM
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Hmm, yeah that does have advantages but I still think the speed wins out (3 complex actions a CT), particularly with it's tiny karma cost.
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post Jan 31 2004, 08:55 PM
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I missed grounding too, so I put it back in :P

As far as mundane tattoos go, you can tattoo yourself easily, esp. if you've gotten several done before (as any good tattoo artist will have). I once knew a tattoo artist who got bored one day, hooked up the tattoo gun, and just started freestyling on his thigh. Ended up with this amazing-looking Celtic-meets-Tribal design. Might be a bit harder if you're trying to concentrate on a spell and quickening it too though, but if you're comfortable enough with your skill and equipment, I can't see it being TOO hard...

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post Jan 31 2004, 09:20 PM
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Force one makes it very easy to dispel though, even if you do add extra karma.

And realistically, the first thing an enemy mage seeing a quicked improved reflexes spell will do is attempt to dispel it, if its that easy. (Although they might have trouble with the drain)
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post Jan 31 2004, 09:41 PM
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Force 1? Who would do that? Force 3 with 6 karma spent on it makes it the equivalent of a Force 12 to dispel. I don't know too many initiates who can dispel a Force 12 Deadly Drain without taking some deadly physical drain.

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post Jan 31 2004, 09:43 PM
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Sphynx, just give them the link to all the old arguments, please.

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post Jan 31 2004, 10:53 PM
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post Jan 31 2004, 10:57 PM
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post Feb 1 2004, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE (Munchkinslayer)
Hey Glyph, I though that quickening was just like a spell sustaining focus (without the focus). I also thought that you could "power-down" the focus, and therefor quickening, thus solving the ward problem.

Nope. That's their big disadvantage compared to sustaining foci. Masking is really your best bet, since it can mask the presense of sustained spells, as well as getting you past wards.
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