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knasser
post Jul 11 2009, 06:40 AM
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Hi,

SR4A has a price for "City Transport: Commuter Air", and various Shadowrun artwork has occasionally depicted the "flying car". Now I don't take the artwork as authoritative and flying cars like in Blade Runner don't fit, but I can't find any suitable vehicles that would be "Air Taxis". One of the PC's contacts is a flying taxi service - they've used him twice now and I've been keeping the description of his vehicle vague, except that it has VTOL capability.

Can anyone tell me what would be appropriate or what has been used in the past. I looked for the Rigger books as PDF, but apparently they haven't been released. I note the Federated Boeing Commuter in SR4A, listed as an Inter-city shuttle. Semantically, that means between cities, intra-city shuttles are what I'm looking for, I guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Any suggestions? At any moment, this could become important in my game and I need to make a decision on how flying around the city will work.

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post Jul 11 2009, 06:46 AM
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If you Fucking Need to Get There like Right the Hell Now, you could use an LAV; however, flying that around the city would be like driving a drag-racer from your house to the nearest 7-11.

Otherwise, I hate to say it, but intra-city flying is not a great idea. Any aircraft that could do it would need to be VTOL, and VTOLing around a city like either a bus or like a taxi would be very costly in fuel; all taking off and landing. Your best bet would be a fairly normal helicopter, assuming hovercraft and lighter-than-air flight are both unacceptable.
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE (knasser @ Jul 11 2009, 09:40 AM) *
Hi,

SR4A has a price for "City Transport: Commuter Air", and various Shadowrun artwork has occasionally depicted the "flying car". Now I don't take the artwork as authoritative and flying cars like in Blade Runner don't fit, but I can't find any suitable vehicles that would be "Air Taxis". One of the PC's contacts is a flying taxi service - they've used him twice now and I've been keeping the description of his vehicle vague, except that it has VTOL capability.

Can anyone tell me what would be appropriate or what has been used in the past. I looked for the Rigger books as PDF, but apparently they haven't been released. I note the Federated Boeing Commuter in SR4A, listed as an Inter-city shuttle. Semantically, that means between cities, intra-city shuttles are what I'm looking for, I guess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Any suggestions? At any moment, this could become important in my game and I need to make a decision on how flying around the city will work.

Thanks,

K.

What about highly modified Cessna C750 (Twin-Prop Airplane) (SR4 pg. 342) w/Improved Takeoff and Landing (lvl 2)(True VTOL)
modification from Arsenal (pg. 138)
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE (Stingray @ Jul 11 2009, 01:27 AM) *
What about GMC Everglades (Hovercraft) "This general-purprose air-cushion vehicle can be easily converted from a passenger to a cargo craft" w/Improved takeoff and landing )(lvl 2,"true VTOL") (Arsenal pg.138)


Ignoring the rules, like "air craft only", sure. You could also strap a hang glider to a limo and offer service as an executive air shuttle....
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Jul 11 2009, 11:45 AM) *
Ignoring the rules, like "air craft only", sure. You could also strap a hang glider to a limo and offer service as an executive air shuttle....

yeah, i know now, i made a mistake and modified my post.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 11 2009, 09:24 AM
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I was afraid I might end up with a helicopter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

The trouble with things like the Cessna or the Boeing Commuter, is that I have very little idea of what these vehicles actually look like or how large they are. Can I have one touching down in a parking lot? I suppose probably not. Even if there's space, it probably messes up the road surfacing. I have probably made a bad decision here, in introducing flying cabs into the game, but I'm sure I've seen such things in the fluff or referenced by other people. And the SR4A price list does give costs for it. Wasn't there anything in one of the Rigger books for this?

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post Jul 11 2009, 10:09 AM
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I always just assumed that "Commuter, air" referred to helicopter shuttle services, like the ones hauling rich folk from house to house in Rio de Janeiro so they don't get their ass killed and kidnapped in the favelas.
I guess there was something in the alluded likeness of a sprawl like Seattle to a schizophrenic shithole like Rio that clicked with me.
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post Jul 11 2009, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (knasser @ Jul 11 2009, 08:40 AM) *
Any suggestions? At any moment, this could become important in my game and I need to make a decision on how flying around the city will work.

Arsenal, p. 114, Huges Aerospace Emblem
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post Jul 11 2009, 11:15 AM
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Introducing flying cars isn't so bad. I think it's at a similar level of technology as cyborgs and bases on mars, at least from a sci-fi point of view.
I would use some sort of modified streamlined helicopter, by the way. Advanced material technology (maybe high grade plastic nano-rotors ?) means they can do some very weird things with the rotors and hull, so basically go nuts.

Actually the more I think about this, the more I get visuals from blade runner. Nice.
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post Jul 11 2009, 03:46 PM
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Rio's air taxis is a good example or just look at helocopters in RL NYC. Just imagine modern Sikorsky and Hughes choppers eitherm oving along the coast/rivers or landing on roof tops-for touching down in an intersection, no, that's not just going to be difficvult but is going to get LS's attention too-remember cops have any toys you have and more of them.
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post Jul 11 2009, 03:49 PM
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And go-gangs in Seattle have aircraft too!
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post Jul 11 2009, 03:53 PM
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yeah, we kicked that round already and pretty much consider it drek.
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post Jul 11 2009, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (knasser @ Jul 11 2009, 05:24 AM) *
Thanks for all the suggestions. I was afraid I might end up with a helicopter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

The trouble with things like the Cessna or the Boeing Commuter, is that I have very little idea of what these vehicles actually look like or how large they are. Can I have one touching down in a parking lot? I suppose probably not. Even if there's space, it probably messes up the road surfacing. I have probably made a bad decision here, in introducing flying cabs into the game, but I'm sure I've seen such things in the fluff or referenced by other people. And the SR4A price list does give costs for it. Wasn't there anything in one of the Rigger books for this?

K.

What if it just hovered a few dozen feet above the ground, and tossed down either a ladder or (for the more luxury-inclined) some kind of chair-in-a-box that was then hauled back into the chopper?
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post Jul 11 2009, 04:18 PM
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I figure that commuter air services probably have a number of small runways, similar to bus depots, around the various suburbs. You can get from Bellevue to Downtown in a hurry, but they're not going to drop you off at the front door. (If you're rich, you fly the company chopper and land on the roof)

I imagine they'd be just as crowded and uncomfortable as a city bus or train car.
commuter prop
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:03 PM
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I assume that the Vehicle used on the Cover of the 'New Seattle' Sourcebook would fit. Unfortunately I never found a conversion of it.
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post Jul 11 2009, 08:45 PM
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The Lockheed Sparrow is actually where we started out when the time came to introduce flying cars. Figure 10k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) adds another seat and 2 points of body, and at 40,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) you've got a body 8, 3 seater flying car (1 driver, 2 passengers in the back).
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post Jul 11 2009, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (Shrike30 @ Jul 11 2009, 04:45 PM) *
The Lockheed Sparrow is actually where we started out when the time came to introduce flying cars. Figure 10k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) adds another seat and 2 points of body, and at 40,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) you've got a body 8, 3 seater flying car (1 driver, 2 passengers in the back).


That makes 50k Nuyen.. I guess such Vehicles aint then that common. I am at work right now so I dont have any Books with me, but cant a Jackrabbit just be modified into a Flying Vehicle?
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post Jul 11 2009, 11:55 PM
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For a few RL aircraft how about the Rotodyne or the Osprey?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Rotodyne

For an SR version I see the main rotor gone, replaced by ducted fans in the wings. Suncell can help extend fuel efficiency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey

Pretty much self explanatory on that one as it is already in the books.

http://www.aeroscraft.com/

And then there is this. There is something like it in Arsenal. I imagine that covered in solar cells it would have a loiter time of 3.2 eons.
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post Jul 12 2009, 12:16 AM
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I figure that commuter air services probably have a number of small runways, similar to bus depots, around the various suburbs. You can get from Bellevue to Downtown in a hurry, but they're not going to drop you off at the front door. (If you're rich, you fly the company chopper and land on the roof)

This is my take on it too.
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post Jul 12 2009, 12:19 AM
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yeah, we kicked that round already and pretty much consider it drek.

Along with IEs, the NAN, almost everything about CalFree (especially LA), the Tirs...

There sure is a lot of the older material that's considered 'drek' around here.
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QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Jul 11 2009, 05:19 PM) *
Along with IEs, the NAN, almost everything about CalFree (especially LA), the Tirs...

There sure is a lot of the older material that's considered 'drek' around here.


No Doubt... Their Loss not mine... I am pretty happy with the last 20 years of Shadowrun Hostory...
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post Jul 12 2009, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (crash2029 @ Jul 11 2009, 04:55 PM) *
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-22_Osprey

Pretty much self explanatory on that one as it is already in the books.

No, the Osprey in MUCH larger. The SR version is akin to the BA609 derivative.
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I have to dissagree the skytrain in aresnal is one body 30 and said to cary merc groups and there APC in to comabt a bit bgieer than a BA609 maybe even the Osprey.
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Another option for short-range air transport would be the various sorts of airship (dirigibles, blimps, and lifting bodies). Though they lack speed, they do provide reduced fuel costs (since most don't have to land to disembark passengers - instead, docking at the upper floors of the various high-rise buildings which usually already have their own helipad anyway) and infrastructure requirements (an airship dock requires much less space, staff, and facilities than an airstrip).

Plus airships are just cool.
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There's always Puget Sound to act as a very large runway..... and convenient docks right downtown.

The Seattle area is quite large and there are lots of bodies of water as well.

Something like the Tundra in Arsenal could take off from a regional airport in Snohomish and land right by downtown.
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