Wlcome to the Pit, An intreste guage/idea gathering idea fior a furture campine. Options

[pbangarth]

Hmmm. maybe I'm reading Metavarants incorrectly, but it seems to me, ravensoracle, that you are paying twice for things like arcane arrester, etc. They come in the original BP cost of the Metavariant, don't they?

[ravensoracle]

Ok I miised the metagenic improvement for Body. So I fixed that. I am paying for surge not for the Fomori metagenic qualities but for additional qualities: the Improvement to Agility and the Astral Hazing. The improvements for the Fomori are included in the cost for the Metavariant like you thought, Grudge is just Surged beyond that.

[Karoline]

EDIT: After a bout or two, every character's tricks will be evident anyway.

Depends on how many tricks we have (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[pbangarth]

Ok I miised the metagenic improvement for Body. So I fixed that. I am paying for surge not for the Fomori metagenic qualities but for additional qualities: the Improvement to Agility and the Astral Hazing. The improvements for the Fomori are included in the cost for the Metavariant like you thought, Grudge is just Surged beyond that.

Ah, I didn't look closely enough. Sorry. I'm considering a Fomori PC as well, so I was concerned I didn't understand the system.

[crizh]

Here, nearly done, I have a nasty suspicion he's not well optimized for this sort of game but he was a fun concept to play with.

Double-barrel

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Name: Double-barrel
Race: Ogre
Gender: Male


Background

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BREAKDOWN (430BP)

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Core Attributes: 210 BP
Special Attributes: 20 BP
Race: 20 BP
Active Skills: 112 BP
Positive Qualities: 35 BP
Negative Qualities: 35 BP
Contacts: 14 BP
Resources 50 BP
Martial Manoeuvres: 4 BP

Extra Cash: 46 karma.
Specializations: Automatics, Dodge = 4 Karma

=Attributes=

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Body: 7[+4]
Agility: 4(8)[9]
Reaction: 6(10)
Strength: 7(11)[14]
Charisma: 2
Intuition: 4
Logic: 2
Willpower: 3
Edge: 3

Essence: 1.036
Initiative: 14
Initiative Passes: 3
Physical Damage Track: 14
Stun Track: 10

Current Karma: 0
Total Karma: 50
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0

=Qualities=

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Martial Arts II
SURGE III
Ambidextrous
Celerity

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In Debt (30000)
Addiction, Mild (Betel)

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Biocompatibility (Cyberware)
Metagenetic Improvement: Reaction

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Impaired Attributes: CHA, LOG, WIL.

=Martial Arts=

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Krav Maga II

Take Aim and Ready Weapon as Free Actions.

Manoeuvres:

Iajutsu, Kick Attack

=Active Skills=

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Automatics (SMG's): 6/7(+2)
Perception: 4
Dodge (Ranged): 4/6(+2)
Unarmed Combat (Martial Arts): 4(+2)
Infiltration: 4
Athletics Group: 1
Data Search: 1
Heavy Weapons: 1
Throwing Weapons: 1

=Knowledge Skills=

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English: N
Sperethiel: 4
Or'zet: 4
French: 2

=Gear=

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* Gear purchased with post-char-gen cash

Muscle Augmentation 4 *
Muscle Toner 4 *
Bone Density Augmentation 4
Reflex Recorder: Automatics

Move By Wire 2
Skillwire Expert System

Obvious Lower Cyberarm (Alpha)

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-Bulk Mod 4
-Armour 3
-Cyberarm Gyromount
-Internal Air Tank

Obvious Lower Cyberarm

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-Bulk Mod 4
-Armour 3
-Datajack
-Cyberarm Gyromount
-Orientation System
-Smuggling Compartment, Small

FN P93 Praetor x2

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Modifications

-Low Light Flashlight [Built In]
-Electronic Firing [Built In]

-Additional Clip
-Extended Clip
-High Velocity
-Smartgun System
-sling

-Chameleon Coating [Overmod]

Accessories

-Gas Vent III
-Laser Target Designator VI

AV Ammunition 1400 rnds
Tracer Ammunition 700 rnds

SK Ballista Missile Launcher *

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Modifications

-Smartgun System
-Airburst link
-Chameleon Coating

MK II Ballista Missiles x4 *

Heavy Military Armour *

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-Strength Upgrade III
-Hydraulic Jacks VI
-Chemical Seal
-Ruthenium Polymer Coating
-Fire Resistance VI
-Non-conductivity VI
-Insulation III

Military Helmet

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-Rating 6 Hardware Upgrade
-Simrig

Helmet Camera

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-Image Link [Built In]
-Smartlink [Built In]
-Flare Compensation [Built In]

-Vision Enhancement III
-Thermographic
-Ultrasound
-Vision Magnification

Bust-a-Move Minidrones x10

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-Gecko Tips
-Radio Signal Scanner VI

Micro-transceiver 6
Medkit 6

Ear-buds I: Audio Enhancement 3, Select Sound Filter 3, Spatial Recognizer

Miniwelder

Oxygenated Flourocarbons - 2 Doses
Betel - 150 doses

Cracked Software *

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Singularity Encore 6
Tacsoft 3
Bust-a-Move Pilot 3
Analyze 6 (Optimization 3)
Homeground Autosoft (Optimization 1) 4
Covert Ops Autosoft (Optimization 1) 4

=contacts=

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Fixer

Loyalty 1, Connection 1

Ramirez is a specialist in providing players to the underground fighting circuit and in supplying said players with the gear and paydata they need to get the job done.

Warezhouse 24

Loyalty 1, Connection 3(8)

Streetdoc

Loyalty 2, Connection 1

Lady Gaga is a former fighter herself and one of Double-barrel's on and off again lovers. The relationship is casual at best but the kinky young human is marginally less likely to give him the shaft than any of the other fighters on the circuit.

[pbangarth]

It has been said that down through the ages men have dominated women out of fear... fear of their reproductive power, their magic, their ability to control men.

Onto this stage, this combat arena, strides an avatar of that fear. A thing terrible to behold, straight out of the nightmares of many a man. I bring you...

... Willow.

Background

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Willow is a Traditional Witch from the Lake District of Great Britain. She loathes the damage done to the Earth by men and their projection of male power: corporations. Though not yet on the Twisted Path, it is conceivable that she will take on that madness.

Willow feels there is one use, and one only, for men, and after those few moments they should be discarded. She is rumoured, though there is no actual evidence or proof, to have on occasion forced a man into sex with her, promising him that if he fails to perform or if he 'finishes' before she does, she will tear out an organ and eat it while he dies watching.

She joined the magical group Dead Warlocks, but after some time with them, Initiating and generally destroying things, she moved on, as they were "too tame" for her liking. She has come to Seattle because she has heard of the arena fighting, and wants to take part. She gets to kill men and get paid for it with money from gamblers probably working for corporations. Their own money will empower her to take them down.

Willow is a mage of Traditional Witchcraft, a possession tradition. She resisted the call of a mentor spirit till her anger over the despoiling of Earth gave her reason to truck with such a dangerous entity. The Great Mother guides her now, and Willow transforms that guidance into action. She wants to bring down the creations of man, and any who stand in her way. No act is too terrible for Willow, especially if it helps cleanse the Earth. She is huge, powerful, ugly, mean spirited, angry and spiteful, with a special hate on for men ... little, puny pieces of shit who must be put in their place... under her boot.

"Level playing field? Sure, I'll send my spirit away when you remove your implants. Here... let me help."

Points Distribution

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[BP], {Karma}
Race - Fomori [45]
Qualities[-5]
Attribute[170]
Special Attributes[70]
Active Skills[96]
Contacts[5]
Spells[9]
Bonding Foci[9]
Gear[31]
+1 LOG{15}
Join Dead Warlocks{5}
Initiate X 3 (group+ordeal){30}

Statistics

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Fomori[45]

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arcane arrester, metagenic improvement(BOD), thermographic vision, +1 reach
Street Cred 5
Notoriety 0
Public Awareness 1

Qualities[-5]

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Magician
Focused Concentration (1)
Mentor Spirit (Great Mother - +2 health spells, +2 plant spirits, -1 combat spells)
prejudiced (men)
(common, outspoken)
prejudiced (capitalist corporations)
(common, biased)
signature (stylized willow icon - often carved into a dead man's body)

Tradition

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Traditional(Hedge) Witchcraft
Combat: Earth
Detection: Water
Health:Plant
Illusion:Air
Manipulation:Task
Drain: WIL+INT
Possession

Attributes[240]

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BOD 9
AGI 3
REA 3
STR 6
CHA 2
INT 4
LOG 2(3)
WIL 5

INI 7
ESS 6
MAG 5
EDG 4

Initiations{35}

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Channeling
Centering
Invoking

Active Skills[96]

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Binding 6
(Plant) (+2)
Summoning 4
(Plant) (+2)
Spellcasting 3
Dodge 2
(Ranged Combat) (+2)
Unarmed Combat 1
Automatics 4
(Assault Rifles) (+2)
Assensing 1
Perception 1

Knowledge Skills (18 pts. free)

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Insults to men 4
Corporate Operations 2
Crime Syndicate Operations 2
Troll Thrash Music 3
Botany 3
Dead Warlocks History 2
Lake District Geography 2

Contacts[5]

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Fixer in Seattle 4 connections -- 1 loyalty

Spells[9]

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Increase Reflexes
Heal
Stunbolt

Gear[31] 155,000 nuyen

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Power Focus (2) 50,000 (Bonding 2 BP)
Centering Focus (3) 45,000 (Bonding 3 BP)
Sustaining Focus (4) 40,000 (Bonding 4 BP)
Magic Lodge (5) 2,500
Bonding Materials (5) X 4 10,000
7,500 left for armor, weapon and low (temporarily) lifestyle

Typical Preparation for Combat

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A) Summon Force 5 Plant Spirit - optional power Movement
1) MAG (5) + Summoning (4) + Power Focus (2) + Mentor Spirit (2) + Specialization (2) = 15 dice ==> ~5 hits
2) Spirit Opposes 5 dice ==> ~ 2hits, net 3 services
3) Drain ~ 4S
4) Drain Resistance WIL (5) + INT (4) + Mentor (2) + Centering (3) + Centering Focus (3) + Focused Concentration (1) = 18 dice
==> ~ 6 hits

B) Bind Force 5 Plant Spirit
1) MAG (5) + Binding (6) + Power Focus (2) + Mentor Spirit (2) + Specialization (2) = 17 dice ==> ~ 5 hits
2) Spirit Opposes 10 dice ==> ~ 3 hits ==> Threshold 4 ==> 1 net hit, 1 extra service
3) Drain ~ 6S
4) Drain resistance ~ 6 hits

C) Rebind + Invoke Force 5 Plant Spirit - extra optional power Confusion, Great Form power Regeneration
1) ~ 5 hits
2) Spirit Opposes ~ 3 hits ==> 2 net hits, 2 extra services
3) Drain ~ 9S
4) Drain Resistance ~ 6 hits ==> 3S drain damage
5) Invoke Spirit 17 dice + Force (5) - damage (1) = 21 dice ==> ~ 7 hits
6) Use EDG to reroll misses 14 dice ==> 4 hits ==> total 11 hits ==> max. 6 points to add to physical stats

D) STATS going into combat, possessed by Invoked Force 5 Plant Spirit (spirit gets 16 dice vs. Willow's 9 dice to possess)
BOD 9 + 5 = 14 + 6 = 20
AGI 3 + 5 = 8 + 4 = 12
REA 3 + 5 = 8 + 4 = 12
STR 6 + 5 = 11 + 5 = 16
CHA = 2
INT = 4
LOG = 3
WIL = 5

Initiative 12 + 4 + 3 (Increase Reflexes) = 19 (4IP)

Physical Boxes = 18
Stun Boxes = 11
Regeneration dice ==> BOD + WIL = 25 ==> ~ 8 boxes per Combat turn
Hardened Armor: 10
Magical countering: Arcane Arrester + Spirit power Magical Guard (Counterspelling 5)
Armor: there isn't armor that adds to 40, so whatever the maximum is that can be built
Damage Opposition: REA (12), Dodge (2) (+2 vs. ranged)
Damage Resistance: BOD (20) + Armor (I dunno, 18 - 24?) + Hardened Armor (10) - (2 X AP of attacking weapon) = 54 - 2AP

[ravensoracle]

Grudge wants to give the angry lady a hug before the match. HAHA

[pbangarth]

Grudge wants to give the angry lady a hug before the match. HAHA

He actually might be able to get away with it!

[ravensoracle]

Quick Question: Would the background count do anything with the fact that the spirit is invoked?

[pbangarth]

If Willow got within the area of the Background Count (not something she would particularly want to do, as she is partial to shooting things with her assault rifle), the spirit's Force would be reduced, and thereby all the stats augmented by it, maybe even the number of optional powers, but I don't see how it could retroactively 'un-invoke' the spirit. I don't know, maybe it would force another Invoking Test, but there is no precedent for that kind of effect.

[crizh]

Wow, Willow is a scary piece of work.

A nice combo of Possession, Plant Spirits and Invoking. No intention of ever agreeing to a match against that.

Is Grudge right? He seems to have 30 points of Surge qualities and no matching disadvantages. It's a nice combo though. With both Arcane Arrester and Astral Hazing a Force 10 Manabolt will only have a base damage of 3 and a max of 9. At Force 6 that drops to 1 and 3. Nasty.

[ravensoracle]

I haven't had a chance to play around with invoked spirits so I wasn't really sure of the rules. There is nothing that I can see with a quick look. Mainly I was wondering if there was a min force limit for invoked spirits but I see that there isn't.

She's definitely a challenge though. I would like to see that fight. I think a some of it depends on how long I got to stay in the ring before the fight to allow the BC area to grow. I mean one of the biggest obstacles is getting around that high Bod mixed with Regen. I'd definitely have to close and keep the ranges short. Getting that gun out of her hand would be a priority.

[ravensoracle]

Astral Hazing is a 10pt Disadvantage. It's great in a fight but I get no magical healing and a natural anymosity by any awakened. I got to be careful to keep my distance from magical teamates as well so as not to handicap them.

[crizh]

Hah, doh!

You would really have to be having sex with an allied mage to disadvantage them, it's only Essence meters after all.

I was looking through Willow and noticed you've only left 7500 to buy armour. You ain't getting 20 points of armour for that much....

[ravensoracle]

It does grow though if I stay in one place for too long a time. Mainly I just gotta be careful not to touch a party member while the are casting a spell.

[Karoline]

It does grow though if I stay in one place for too long a time. Mainly I just gotta be careful not to touch a party member while the are casting a spell.

Yeah, by like a meter every hour or something like that. It might be an annoyance to a mage if you live next door to them, but otherwise it isn't going to affect much with that kind of growth rate.

I mean, unless they let you sleep in the ring or something before the fight and you don't have to use the restroom when you wake up.

[pbangarth]

I was looking through Willow and noticed you've only left 7500 to buy armour. You ain't getting 20 points of armour for that much....

Quite right. She could start the matches with 17/14 for 3500 nuyen, and work her way up with her winnings. So, at the start, she could have a Damage resistance of 20 + 17 + 10 = 47, and with an attack of AP -5, that would be reduced to 37, which would have about 12 hits to reduce damage. Her REA is 12, so that takes the damage down by about 4, so as long as the attack starts at no higher than DV 16, she should be OK. This leaves 3500 nuyen for a weapon, ammo and some kind of lifestyle. The cool thing about this level of armour is that she can wear it even when she is not possessed.

Or, I could give her a fixer of 3/1 instead of 4/1, and with the extra 5000 nuyen buy her a ballistic shield and gyro stabilization right from the start, adding +6/+4. As I say, it really is impossible to get as much armour as she can carry.

[ravensoracle]

How do you get 17/14 for 3500?

[pbangarth]

How do you get 17/14 for 3500?

Armor Jacket 8/6 -- 900
helmet +1/+2 -- 100
FFBA - full 6/2 -- 1,600
PPP ( all but helmet) +2/+4 -- 900
TOTAL: 17/14 -- 3500 nuyen

[ravensoracle]

Ahhh, Okay. I don't play trolls that often so I haven't had to worry about getting armor that high.

[crizh]

Yeah, just armour is pretty cheap. Armour with useful mods, like non-conductive, gets mondo expensive real fast.

[ravensoracle]

I haven't seen Dumori post here for a few days. After reading Pbangarth's post I hoping this one isn't losing momentum before it gets started.

[pbangarth]

One of the things I wonder is whether the Christmas season is a bad time for games, because so many of us are students who go 'home for the holidays'.

[crizh]

Juggled some stuff around and squeezed in another weapon system and shamelessly stole Astral Hazing as an Arcane defence. Messed around with changeling stuff to make him faster and more agile.

Double-barrel

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Name: Double-barrel
Race: Ogre
Gender: Male


Background

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BREAKDOWN (430BP)

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Core Attributes: 210 BP
Special Attributes: 20 BP
Race: 20 BP
Active Skills: 112 BP
Positive Qualities: 35 BP
Negative Qualities: 35 BP
Contacts: 14 BP
Resources 50 BP
Martial Manoeuvres: 4 BP

Extra Cash: 46 karma.
Specializations: Automatics, Dodge = 4 Karma

=Attributes=

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Body: 7[+4]
Agility: 4(8)[9]
Reaction: 5(9)
Strength: 7(11)[14]
Charisma: 2
Intuition: 4
Logic: 2
Willpower: 3
Edge: 3

Essence: 1.036
Initiative: 13
Initiative Passes: 3
Physical Damage Track: 14
Stun Track: 10

Current Karma: 0
Total Karma: 50
Street Cred: 0
Notoriety: 0
Public Awareness: 0

=Qualities=

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Martial Arts II
SURGE III
Ambidextrous
Erased (7 days)
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In Debt (30000)
Addiction, Mild (Betel)

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Biocompatibility (Cyberware)
Satyr Legs
Celerity
Balance Tail

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Impaired Attribute: CHA
Astral Hazing

=Martial Arts=

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Krav Maga II

Take Aim and Ready Weapon as Free Actions.

Manoeuvres:

Iajutsu, Kick Attack

=Active Skills=

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Automatics (SMG's): 6/7(+2)
Perception: 4
Dodge (Ranged): 4/6(+2)
Unarmed Combat (Martial Arts): 4(+2)
Infiltration: 4
Athletics Group: 1
Data Search: 1
Heavy Weapons: 1
Throwing Weapons: 1

=Knowledge Skills=

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English: N
Sperethiel: 4
Or'zet: 4
French: 2

=Gear=

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* Gear purchased with post-char-gen cash

Muscle Augmentation 4 *
Muscle Toner 4 *
Bone Density Augmentation 4
Reflex Recorder: Automatics

Move By Wire 2
Skillwire Expert System

Obvious Lower Cyberarm (Alpha)

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-Bulk Mod 4
-Armour 3
-Cyberarm Gyromount
-Internal Air Tank

Obvious Lower Cyberarm

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-Bulk Mod 4
-Armour 3
-Datajack
-Cyberarm Gyromount
-Orientation System
-Smuggling Compartment, Small

FN P93 Praetor x2

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Modifications

-Low Light Flashlight [Built In]
-Electronic Firing [Built In]

-Additional Clip
-Extended Clip
-High Velocity
-Smartgun System
-sling

-Chameleon Coating [Overmod]

Accessories

-Gas Vent III
-Laser Target Designator VI

APDS Ammunition 960 rnds
Tracer Ammunition 640 rnds
Stick'n'Shock 80 rnds
Gel 80 rnds

SK Ballista Missile Launcher *

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Modifications

-Smartgun System
-Airburst link
-Chameleon Coating

MK II Ballista Missiles x4 *

Enfield GL-67 Grenade Launcher

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Modifications

-Smartgun System [Built In]
-Airburst link [Built In]
-Chameleon Coating
-Ammo Skip System
-Fire Selection Change (SA)

Mini-grenades

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Thermal Smoke x9
Flash Bang x9
Splash x2

Flash Pak x2
Splash Grenade x2, Disguised -6
Thermal Smoke x3
Flash Bang

Heavy Military Armour *

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-Strength Upgrade III
-Hydraulic Jacks VI
-Chemical Seal
-Ruthenium Polymer Coating
-Fire Resistance VI
-Non-conductivity VI
-Insulation III

Military Helmet

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-Rating 6 Hardware Upgrade
-Simrig

Helmet Camera

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-Image Link [Built In]
-Smartlink [Built In]
-Flare Compensation [Built In]

-Vision Enhancement III
-Thermographic
-Ultrasound
-Vision Magnification

Bust-a-Move Minidrones x10

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-Gecko Tips
-Radio Signal Scanner VI

Micro-transceiver 6
Medkit 6
Medkit supplies x2

Ear-buds I: Audio Enhancement 3, Select Sound Filter 3, Spatial Recognizer

Miniwelder

Oxygenated Flourocarbons - 2 Doses
Betel - 150 doses
DMSO - 10 doses
Slab - 4 doses
Cracked Software *

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Singularity Encore 6 x2
Tacsoft 3
Bust-a-Move Pilot 3
Analyze 6 (Optimization 3)
Homeground Autosoft (Optimization 1) 4
Covert Ops Autosoft (Optimization 1) 4

Fake SIN, Rating 4
Fake Licence, Rating 4 x5

Lifestyle, 1 month, +12 to starting cash.

=contacts=

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Fixer

Loyalty 1, Connection 1

Ramirez is a specialist in providing players to the underground fighting circuit and in supplying said players with the gear and paydata they need to get the job done.

Warezhouse 24

Loyalty 1, Connection 3(8)

Streetdoc

Loyalty 2, Connection 1

Lady Gaga is a former fighter herself and one of Double-barrel's on and off again lovers. The relationship is casual at best but the kinky young human is marginally less likely to give him the shaft than any of the other fighters on the circuit.

=Lifestyle=

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--Transcendent Technocracy Co-op--

Double-barrel lives in a Co-op with several Hackers and Technomancers in a compound leased from Horizon on a 'Don't ask don't tell' security contract. A Horizon owned GMC Everglades is supplied as part of the contract which is immune to search and seizure in alternate jurisdictions.

His roomies are involved in a number of enterprises that are not detrimental to Horizon, including the circuit Double-barrel fights in, which is where they found their live in physical and astral watch dog.

Comforts: High (4LP)
Entertainment: Medium (3LP)
Necessities: High (4LP)
Neighbourhood: High (4LP)
Security: Luxury (6LP)

Total: 21LP (Luxury), 15000 pm

with 5 sharing: 3360(4200) pm

[Dumori]

I must apologise for my absence for my absence my PC is hating cookies atm so I've had to wait till collage starts to be able to stabley post from. Hopefully now the end of year madness is over I can get round to fixing the problem or buying me a nice shiny new PC. This game is not dead it just hibernated.