 Horizon Group: What's the deal?, Discussion Thread |
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 Nov 28 2009, 05:40 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 687 Joined: 22-October 09 Member No.: 17,783  |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Nov 28 2009, 10:13 AM)  Or it could be she threw a ton of money at them and offered them extra-territoriality or at least as clsoe as one comes within the Tir. Don't forget, for some unknown reason every single Great Dragon has more or less unlimited fiscal resources. This has always bothered me, how do the GD's get all those resources, I mean I know that with their level of magical ability summoning some spirits with the wealth power isn't out of the question but still.... |
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Nov 28 2009, 08:10 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
dragons == hoards...
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Nov 28 2009, 08:50 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 28 2009, 05:10 PM) dragons == hoards... Didn't Lofwyr buy SK with a brick of orichalcum? Or something like that? |
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Nov 28 2009, 08:52 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
iirc, it was a massive lump of gold...
btw, it comes to mind that dragons, especially greats, loves to play mindgames. so moves like lofwyr's could be a kind of FUD, in that one starts to wonder how deep dragon pockets really are, making one worry if one can take them on, and may hold resources in reserve that could basically mess up a dragons plans if deployed. |
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Nov 29 2009, 05:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 9-February 09 From: F.R.F.Z. C.A.S. Sector Member No.: 16,861 |
Oi Chums,
If there is one thing that sticks out in these post is that people are saying Horizon is "Good" or Horizon is "Bad" with all the usual suspects behind the curtain. Chip truth Omaes...all the AAA's bottom line is the almighty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) . The whole Horizon Group reminds me a bit of the Pacific Prosperity Group with a little more cohesion creating one entity. All this fuzzy stuff about employees encouraged to develop their talents and the Corp sharing in the fruits of their labor, just another carrot at the end of a big stick for the poor slags working for them. Horizon is a AAA just like the others not good or bad just in it for profit and willing to scratch a back or put a knife in one just the same. |
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Nov 29 2009, 05:06 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 304 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 17,812 |
QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Nov 28 2009, 12:40 PM) This has always bothered me, how do the GD's get all those resources, I mean I know that with their level of magical ability summoning some spirits with the wealth power isn't out of the question but still.... Most dragons would have a collection of relatively 'worthless' knick knacks left over from a bygone pre-prehistory. Sell a couple dozen of those to museums and you're good. Previous Editions also occasionally mention in passing that dragons had agents who took care of business for them in the downtime - even a modest investment portfolio looks pretty good if you run it from the invention of banking to today... ...combine the two with the fact that the dragon's talons, scales, and waste are all very valuable ritual materials and the dragon is likely a walking, talking cash machine. |
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Nov 29 2009, 06:23 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Nov 28 2009, 07:13 AM) Or it could be she threw a ton of money at them and offered them extra-territoriality or at least as clsoe as one comes within the Tir. That's sort of beside the point though. Even as an organization hired to her purposes, she would have to trust them. A Great Dragon wouldn't throw that kind of scratch at a group it hadn't infiltrated enough to guarantee certain safeguards. The implication of intimacy is still there. Not to say, "Hestaby made Horizon" but there's little sense to the idea that she doesn't own enough of their voting stock by proxy to have access to their board's minutes and their financial data. A GD is cautious and controlling by nature. The Orange Marm has got hooks in Horizon, without doubt. |
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Nov 29 2009, 09:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 8-July 09 From: The Caribbean League Member No.: 17,367 |
Horizon is secretly run by Saeletra.
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Nov 29 2009, 11:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 2-August 06 Member No.: 9,006 |
QUOTE (Khyron @ Nov 29 2009, 05:09 AM) Horizon is secretly run by Saeletra. You know....that could be. Since, you know, no-one knows who or what Saeletra is/was... That is one of the mysteries that is still unrevealed.. |
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Nov 30 2009, 03:09 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 872 |
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 27 2009, 01:33 PM) Hestaby is a perfect choice to head up the Liberal Conspiracy. She's based out of Portland, just like Horizon's PR branch, (which apparently failed to protect the princes from being overthrown and the Tir opened to a new, inclusive democracy. Oops.) She, herself, is all about image and managing PR, so there's a good fit there. Finally, she had her own Otaku tribe, so horizon's interest in Technomancy mirrors her own. Also, she's proven that she's not scared of Lofwyr as much as the rest. She had him ousted from the Tir council and took his place with no backlash or open display of tribute. My sentiments exactly. The more I think about it, the more I lean towards someone like Hestaby -- or a new, unknown force (an "aggregate evil" perhaps, as someone mentioned earlier). I would actually be disappointed if it was the bugs behind Horizon. - J. |
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Nov 30 2009, 01:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,757 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Nov 27 2009, 02:33 PM) Also, she's proven that she's not scared of Lofwyr as much as the rest. She had him ousted from the Tir council and took his place with no backlash or open display of tribute. ... right after beating him and a bunch of other great dragons in a Rite of Succession and still leaving the Jewel of Memory and the Loremaster position (which was AFAIR the canon ending for Survival of the Fittest). If Hestaby is backing Horizon, it should also be remembered that Corporate Download strongly suggested Arthur Vogel bought Leonard Aurelius shares in Ares Macrotechnology with funding from both Hestaby and the Pueblo. |
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Nov 30 2009, 02:17 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,536 Joined: 13-July 09 Member No.: 17,389 |
QUOTE (Nexushound @ Nov 29 2009, 01:01 AM) All this fuzzy stuff about employees encouraged to develop their talents and the Corp sharing in the fruits of their labor, just another carrot at the end of a big stick for the poor slags working for them. Hello, Google? I think the issue is that a lot of people unconsciously are correlating Google with Horizon. Google has been getting into all this stuff and has, for now, remained "good". Google is also still ran by its founders. Eventually the founders will leave the company and new people will lead Google and who knows where it will go with all that it has its tendrils poking into. Like with anything, a company can go from good to evil just by changing the people at the helm. The comment about a puppet with an actor.... I figured someone would have brought up Reagan.... The difference between Reagan and Gary Cline is as follows.... Reagan wasn't thrust from acting into President. He had a political career previous to prove himself. Gary Cline, well I see nothing about him owning any business. To go from just being a star to the CEO of a triple A means he's likely a puppet, even if it is just his advisers that are puppetting him. Gary is a face for the company, I doubt he really makes any of its important decisions beyond being a rubber stamp. |
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Nov 30 2009, 08:05 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Horizon is run by Them. The people who decide if hems are going to be higher or lower this year, draw up the borders, control the currency, decide all the matters that happen transparently around us. They work together, same people, different department.
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Nov 30 2009, 08:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 28-October 09 From: West Point, New York Member No.: 17,805 |
It wouldn't be real surprising if that was the case, but there is a bit of flawed logic there. Think about it, for horizon to be the "people who decide if hems are going to be higher or lower this year, draw up the borders, control the currency, decide all the matters that happen transparently around us" they would have to be but a tiny, itty bitty part of it, meaning that all the Corps would have to be in the proverbial "Them"'s pocket. I find it hard to believe that such an intricate and complicated organization could exist in the Sixth World, there's too much chaos, even between corporations that there's no way they could function effectively as a community of movers and shakers. Companies that hire criminals to take out other companies, or steal research, or kill CEO's don't really seem like they'd do to well working together. and if they were part of a whole then why all the animosity? All they'd be doing to each other is hindering progress and innovation. However, that could all be a front for whats really happening, maybe the corps are all one big happy family... who knows?
Then again it would explain how they sort of materialized as a tripA out of thin air, and how they can function so well with a simstar at the helm, and why there's been no Corporate court backlash. Still that would all be in a a "perfect world:. in my opinion there's too much politics and too much hate for any such collective to be feasible. I mean it's not like this "Them" can tell Aztechnology where to set their prices if Aztechnology isn't involved right? Nice idea, in my mind a little bit out there, thanks for sharing though. |
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Nov 30 2009, 10:05 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
I was quoting the character that I linked. It's from Babylon 5, talking about the Shadows...not really a viable solution for Horizon, but an interesting plot hook for GMs to dangle in front of characters who were trying to figure out who actually is behind Horizon.
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Nov 30 2009, 11:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 28-October 09 From: West Point, New York Member No.: 17,805 |
I know, i went to the link, i was just commenting on the flaws odf the possibility that something like "Them" was in charge of Horizon, i understand your referencve, and it makes a little bit of sense that something that intricate and involved would be in Horizon, i was just poking holes in the theory. I can see it's definite potential from a GM's perspective, but i started the thread in an attempt to draw people out of their shells and make them comment on their ideas of the origins and inner working of the corporation. Ergo i took took your comment as a theory as to who was running Horizon and poked holes in it, because thats what i'm good at. I appreciate your contribution.
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Dec 1 2009, 04:04 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 21-July 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 7,508 |
McQ has way too much insider information... you should ignore what he says. Really. All of it. (Now, McQ, weren't you supposed to be writing and not reading these forums???)
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Dec 1 2009, 04:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 28-October 09 From: West Point, New York Member No.: 17,805 |
QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Dec 1 2009, 05:04 AM) McQ has way too much insider information... you should ignore what he says. Really. All of it. (Now, McQ, weren't you supposed to be writing and not reading these forums???) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) You people are always so cryptic... i hope the answers to the big mystery that has been plagueing me for the past couple months are in the Corporate Guide. Here i was thinking this guy was a simple fan like me but now i am enthralled by the possibility that i may be able to milk him for his so called "insider information" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Thanks all for your theories, keep 'em coming. Oh and Ms. Tiger Eyes do you have anything you'd like to contribute? |
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Dec 1 2009, 04:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 304 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 17,812 |
QUOTE (Blackb1rd @ Nov 30 2009, 11:35 PM) You people are always so cryptic... i hope the answers to the big mystery that has been plagueing me for the past couple months are in the Corporate Guide. Here i was thinking this guy was a simple fan like me but now i am enthralled by the possibility that i may be able to milk him for his so called "insider information" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Thanks all for your theories, keep 'em coming. Oh and Ms. Tiger Eyes do you have anything you'd like to contribute? McQ will probably correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he's the current Missions director. so - he's got heaps of insider info if you can find a way to get him to divulge it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (of course, I'm sure Tiger Eyes does too... maybe you can pump them *both*) |
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Dec 1 2009, 08:12 AM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
Yes, Aaron and I are the co-coordinators for Missions. Incidentally, we are also both Freelancers and under NDAs. That said, we are allowed to point to material and draw connections between published sources. A lot of times, we just speculate.
To get me to divulge it, would require a fifth of Jack, and a lot of time. Tiger Eyes can be swayed by chocolate and jewelry. She is sometimes privvy to more info than I am... |
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Dec 1 2009, 12:28 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,536 Joined: 13-July 09 Member No.: 17,389 |
QUOTE (BishopMcQ @ Dec 1 2009, 04:12 AM) Yes, Aaron and I are the co-coordinators for Missions. Incidentally, we are also both Freelancers and under NDAs. That said, we are allowed to point to material and draw connections between published sources. A lot of times, we just speculate. To get me to divulge it, would require a fifth of Jack, and a lot of time. Tiger Eyes can be swayed by chocolate and jewelry. She is sometimes privvy to more info than I am... More Jack = Less time? Jewelry can be faked too.... Doesn't sound too expensive, just time consuming. |
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Dec 1 2009, 06:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 21-July 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 7,508 |
Believe me, I have a high enough Jewelry Knowledge skill to spot the fakes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Dec 1 2009, 06:37 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,536 Joined: 13-July 09 Member No.: 17,389 |
QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Dec 1 2009, 02:25 PM) Believe me, I have a high enough Jewelry Knowledge skill to spot the fakes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I've heard a lot of women say that..... most took the negative quality. Incompetent (Jewelry Knowledge) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Dec 1 2009, 07:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 28-October 09 From: West Point, New York Member No.: 17,805 |
Now guys play nice, No need to try and pry info out of the Catalyst Employees. It's a fairly fruitless endeavor. We do welcome their theories however (HINT HINT) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Otherwise let's focus on the task at hand and not de-rail the thread.
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Dec 1 2009, 07:32 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (Tiger Eyes @ Dec 1 2009, 07:25 PM) Believe me, I have a high enough Jewelry Knowledge skill to spot the fakes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Do you have enough technical knowledge skill to join us in IRC some time? ^^ |
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