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Velocity
post Feb 2 2004, 07:14 PM
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So I have this PC, right, and he wants to implant some of his smartlink in his cyberleg. Specifically, he's looking to put the Limited Simsense Rig (0.1 Essence) and the Standard Processor (0.2 Essence) in the leg and then link them to the Induction Pad (0.1 Essence) in his hand and the Eye Display (0.1 Essence) in his skull.

(For the record, the smartlink breakdown is on pages 32-33 of Man & Machine)

What say you? Is this reasonable? Should I insist that he use a DNI to link the subsystems in the leg (the simrig and the processor) to those in other areas (the induction pad[s] and the eye display) or would that just be pedantic? I don't want to bust his balls, but I would like to stick as close to the rules in Man & Machine as possible.

Technically, the smartlink is just one "system"--not separate devices--so according to the interconnectivity rules, no DNI or router should be required. The smartlink is unique among cyber-implants in that it can be broken down into its component parts and so I'm not entirely sure how to adjudicate this.

Thanks in advance for your help. :)
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post Feb 2 2004, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (Velocity @ Feb 2 2004, 07:14 PM)
So I have this PC, right, and he wants to implant some of his smartlink in his cyberleg.  Specifically, he's looking to put the Limited Simsense Rig (0.1 Essence) and the Standard Processor (0.2 Essence) in the leg and then link them to the Induction Pad (0.1 Essence) in his hand and the Eye Display (0.1 Essence) in his skull.

(For the record, the smartlink breakdown is on pages 32-33 of Man & Machine)

What say you?  Is this reasonable?  Should I insist that he use a DNI to link the subsystems in the leg (the simrig and the processor) to those in other areas (the induction pad[s] and the eye display) or would that just be pedantic?  I don't want to bust his balls, but I would like to stick as close to the rules in Man & Machine as possible.

Technically, the smartlink is just one "system"--not separate devices--so according to the interconnectivity rules, no DNI or router should be required.  The smartlink is unique among cyber-implants in that it can be broken down into its component parts and so I'm not entirely sure how to adjudicate this.

Thanks in advance for your help. :)

Smartlink parts in other parts of the body?

Bust his balls?

I see this thread going downhill in a hurry. ;)

Seriously thou, I don't see why not, so long as the induction pad was where it needed to be and the display part was in the head. The simsense rig would probably need to be in the head as well, but maybe not.
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post Feb 2 2004, 07:19 PM
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A smartlink in a cyberlimb takes up .25 essence according to SR3 and M&M.

If someone wanted a breakdown, I'd say that the processor (.2) and some of the simrig systems (.05) are what goes in the limb, but that's just my own out-of-the-ass ruling.
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post Feb 2 2004, 07:26 PM
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The simrig is there to detect body position, so it couldn't only be in the leg.

I see no difficulty otherwise.
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post Feb 2 2004, 07:35 PM
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A smartlink in a cyberlimb takes up .25 essence according to SR3 and M&M.

I know, but (I think) that Man & Machine uses the terms "cyberlimb" and "cyberarm" interchangeably sometimes. In other words, when they write "cyberlimb" in the context of discussing smartlinks, they presume the character's going to implant it in an arm, not a leg.

If I'm reading you both correctly, Zazen and moosegod, you're suggesting that the processor could go in the leg, as well as "half" of the simrig? That makes sense to me and is along the lines of what my player and I were considering. Thank you both for your input, much appreciated.
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post Feb 2 2004, 08:15 PM
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Out of curiousity -- why does your player want to locate the components in his leg?

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post Feb 2 2004, 08:23 PM
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The character is a rigger and recently realized that he could save a bundle on Essence if he implanted some of his 'ware in a limb. His remote control deck, remote control encryption and decryption modules, remote control ECCM, etcetera could all be implanted in a limb. He figured that while he was at it, he'd try to squeeze the smartlink in there, too.

I can understand the impulse: I've been cleaning out my bookshelves this week and once the urge to organize sets in, it can be hard to shake. :)

Granted, he's putting all of his eggs in one basket here; it'd be a damned shame if an errant micro-grenade just blew the limb clean off. Expensive eggs, those pieces of riggerware... :evil:
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post Feb 2 2004, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Velocity)
The character is a rigger and recently realized that he could save a bundle on Essence if he implanted some of his 'ware in a limb. His remote control deck, remote control encryption and decryption modules, remote control ECCM, etcetera could all be implanted in a limb. He figured that while he was at it, he'd try to squeeze the smartlink in there, too.

I can understand the impulse: I've been cleaning out my bookshelves this week and once the urge to organize sets in, it can be hard to shake. :)

Granted, he's putting all of his eggs in one basket here; it'd be a damned shame if an errant micro-grenade just blew the limb clean off. Expensive eggs, those pieces of riggerware... :evil:

It is a good idea, but yes it would be expensive if he lost the limb.
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post Feb 2 2004, 10:10 PM
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How often does a cyberlimb ever bite the bullet (so to speak) in game?

Of course, it's gonna absolutely suck if that limb gets lost...how's the old adage go? Don't put all your eggs in one basket? :grinbig:

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post Feb 3 2004, 05:54 AM
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Velocity wrote:
Granted, he's putting all of his eggs in one basket here; it'd be a damned shame if an errant micro-grenade just blew the limb clean off. Expensive eggs, those pieces of riggerware...
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Of course, it's gonna absolutely suck if that limb gets lost...how's the old adage go? Don't put all your eggs in one basket?

Yeah, it goes something like that... ;)
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post Feb 3 2004, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE (Velocity)
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Granted, he's putting all of his eggs in one basket here; it'd be a damned shame if an errant micro-grenade just blew the limb clean off. Expensive eggs, those pieces of riggerware...
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Of course, it's gonna absolutely suck if that limb gets lost...how's the old adage go? Don't put all your eggs in one basket?

Yeah, it goes something like that... ;)

Disarming. :grinbig:

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post Feb 3 2004, 06:42 AM
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I wouldn't give a discount on the limited simsense rig at all for installation in a leg, unless you were firing a footgun.

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post Feb 3 2004, 06:52 AM
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What would you discount instead? The .25 cost should be accounted for, and if you give the processor for free you're left with .05 in savings that you must assign. Simrig, induction pad, or image link?
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post Feb 3 2004, 07:05 AM
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I would discount the monkeys.
Either that or I'd break canon and say that the rest of the savings only applies to a cyberarm installation rather than a leg, but that's houserule territory.

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post Feb 3 2004, 07:13 AM
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Upon rereading I see that SR3 refers only to a cyberarm, and M&M merely lists it on the ECU chart without saying that it applies to all limbs. I think it's quite reasonable to say that it's only for arms.
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post Feb 3 2004, 07:38 AM
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QUOTE (Zazen @ Feb 3 2004, 05:52 PM)
What would you discount instead? The .25 cost should be accounted for, and if you give the processor for free you're left with .05 in savings that you must assign. Simrig, induction pad, or image link?

The Induction Pad, which would be normally installed in the Cyberarm.

Edit: That being said though, I personally wouldn't give the discount at all for any part of a Smartlink being implanted in a Cyberleg.
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post Feb 3 2004, 07:42 AM
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Kage... discount monkeys? Go on, I'm listening.

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post Feb 3 2004, 08:02 AM
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Well, you see, infinite monkeys used to be infinitely expensive, but due to our new bulk discount pricing you can get every further thousand monkeys for half the price of the previous thousand, so infinite monkeys cost just under the cost of two thousand monkeys under the normal pricing.

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post Feb 3 2004, 08:48 AM
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I would discount the monkeys.

But the margin on monkeys is slim as it is, man--c'mon, I've gotta eat!

Re: my original question... I see no reason why the processor can't be implanted in a cyberleg; it's just a piece of microtronics. The only issue is whether or not it requires a DNI in order to communicate with the rest of its sibling-components, i.e. the induction pad(s), simsense rig and eye display.
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post Feb 3 2004, 08:55 AM
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I would even go so far as to say the sim-rig doesn't have to be in the arm -- it's a gizmo that processes and feeds information from the ballistic processor and induction pad.

But I wouldn't apply a discount either.

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post Feb 3 2004, 02:38 PM
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Just think of the extra wiring they'd have to imprint in your system to run the connection down to the leg. Cyberware doesn't run on bluetooth. I always thought of the discount for the wiring in the arm and the induction pad itself, everthing else is headware, pure and simple.
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post Feb 3 2004, 04:11 PM
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Geez guys, can't you keep your blathering about smartlinks to a dull roar? I'm negociating some monkeys over here! I need to focus!

I'll take 2000!

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post Feb 3 2004, 04:37 PM
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You have been sent a catalog detailing our fine selection of monkeys of all types and colourations. You can choose any specific quantity of a given type of monkey you wish, or get all or part of your order as a random assortment. All of our monkeys are top-quality, so you won't have to worry about being disappointed.

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post Feb 3 2004, 05:06 PM
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What about babboons? orangutangs? Simians of otherly persuasions?
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post Feb 3 2004, 05:09 PM
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We are moving into those fields, and hope to someday offer you the best in all simians.

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