Elections in 2064?, A Serious Consideration! |
Elections in 2064?, A Serious Consideration! |
Feb 3 2004, 03:29 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Shibanokuji Freefall Resort Member No.: 1,043 |
Hello everybody.
The recent poll of how funny it be to have XY as President of the UCAS let me to ask about how the election is decided. I mean, I remember the absentee voting cards in Super Tuesday, I believe. I bought it too late (after Dunkelzahn's secret, after which the outcome was no secret any longer) to have an effect. I can't remember of anything that alike with the election in 2060, though I have been more diligent in timely buying my regular SR fix since then. I cannot even remember the competitors to the Haeffner/Daviar-Ticket (flying through SONA did not help.) Do you think (or KNOW) that the SR-Staff intends to elaborate on the election in '64 and/or involve the Players' Community in its decision? |
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Feb 3 2004, 04:33 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
The 2060 Election was a landslide victory for the Haeffner administration. While they enjoy a good deal of popularity and could be reelected again, recent developments might toss in a competitor or two.
I support the idea of a player ballot, but we'd need several candidates and a sourcebook to do that. 2064 is still far away... |
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Feb 3 2004, 06:10 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
I doubt we'll get the option.
For a number of reasons that I can't properly/don't feel like articulating. |
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Feb 3 2004, 06:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Santa Cruz Member No.: 5,500 |
What about CAS?Or is this bored full of yella' belly yanks?
-Says the Californian- |
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Feb 3 2004, 06:23 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
CAS votes in thier president with a belching contest, which is kinda difficult to do with voting ballots. ;) |
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Feb 3 2004, 06:33 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Actually, I'd heard it was tractor pulls. :D
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Feb 3 2004, 06:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Tucson Member No.: 4,153 |
Or wet t-shirt contests if the candidates are female. :D |
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Feb 3 2004, 06:36 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Yeah, but that's the way it should be done in all countries. |
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Feb 3 2004, 08:11 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
I would strongly have to disagree with that statement. I mean, would you want someone like Margaret Thatcher involved in anything like that?
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Feb 3 2004, 08:44 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Shibanokuji Freefall Resort Member No.: 1,043 |
I second FlakJacket. To add an argument: http://www.cdu.de/image/personen/am-030204.jpg See Angela Merkel, serious contender for the office of Chancellor (Prime Minister) in Germany. |
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Feb 4 2004, 12:05 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,311 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 2,062 |
You know, if Hef gets voted out, that means Nadja's off as well. There will be no more Lucien Cross or Damien Knight tied to the government. This means that S-K could just all over putting offices in every damn town in the UCAS. *I* don't like going up against Lowyfer even when I have home turf advantage. God I hope Nadja hits a grand slam on this one. |
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Feb 4 2004, 12:19 AM
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Roz Hernandez ran again, and evidenced by a comment in SoNA calling her a, "two-time Presidential loser." Personally, if I was a normal, everyday breeder UCASer there is no way I'd vote for Haeffner. Especially since every time I read the UCAS chapter of SoNA I get this real sense of dread and sadness, and it pains me to think of such a place. The problem is that the '57 election had a lot of backstory they had to create for the candidates, and while I can believe it was intentional to downplay the '56 election, no one cared in '52 or even really mentioned it in '60 in canon or OOC. It seems too specific and uninteresting to put a lot of effort into it beyond a reference in SOTA:2064 or some other product with room for fluff.
You know... CAS has had two or three women Presidents. UCAS has had 0. And they're backwards? |
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Feb 4 2004, 12:46 AM
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Technomancer Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 |
Well said. |
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Feb 4 2004, 01:13 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
IIRC, the UCAS has indeed had a female President. I don't recall if it was just an interim position though, nor do I remember her name off-hand (Betty Pritchard maybe???). |
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Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Feb 4 2004, 01:21 AM
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Ah. Touche. I even mentioned that two weeks ago.
Betty Jo Pritchard was the President between Steele/Booth's removal and Dunk's inauguration. My bad. But CAS still had them first, had more of them, and most importanly--Elected them. |
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Feb 4 2004, 01:29 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Shibanokuji Freefall Resort Member No.: 1,043 |
I do not understand in what way Saeder-Krupp is impeded in doing so now if they intended? With Cross, Knight, or without.
I do not expect a full-blown adventure like Super Tuesday, more like an annual update on what is going on behind the scenes. Something like "State of the Art", only about What's On, What's Off, Who's In, Who's Out. Fast Facts, Adventure Hooks. Currently, you can see development only in the broad scale or on specific aspects. |
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Feb 4 2004, 02:03 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Cast your vote for Senator Vanessa Carlino of the UCAS New Century Party!
She stands for strong North American ties, helping to build an economic block to compete with the NEEC and defend against Aztec aggression. Her strong record in the House and Senate show a candidate willing to stand up to foreign corporations trying to steal American resources! A strong showing for individual liberties, demonstrated by her ACCLU membership, a regard for mundanes with her backing of the Telesma Registration Act, and a competent media personality as seen in her numerous trid appearances. Vote Vanessa! |
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Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Feb 4 2004, 02:21 AM
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Wasn't that the point behind SOTA? I guess a Presidential election just doesn't seem exciting because, well, because the damn President and Vice President are bulletproof--or at least they are protrayed that way, and the mainstream media loves them. Not that there isn't a shortage of reasons to not like them, and the litany of complaints can be awe-inspiring. Just around the second term a great dragon popped out of the rift less than (eh...) a mile from the White House, the shedim were unleashed (through said rift, apparently) creating zombies, the UCAS is playing the continent's cop, it's gotten overrun with security, parts of it are under martial law or "emergency" status pretty close to it, the environment sucks, there are no resources and recycling doesn't even cut it, the government's so corrupt that the VP is an active boardmember of a megacorporation and no one blinks and eye, oh... the whole SCIRE thing. The most offensive thing is just how backwards the country is, and how the UCAS seems to be infinitesimally less free than the US is (in theory or reality). But even beyond all that, people like the Dynamic Duo and, more to the point, who's going to demand changes who isn't going to be labeled a A/B/etc.-wing nut, assuming anyone notices at all? BTW, I have begun noticing similarities between the '57 candidates (well, not Brackhaven) and the Dems. But that just shows how screwed up I am. |
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Feb 4 2004, 02:36 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Shibanokuji Freefall Resort Member No.: 1,043 |
Of course, it just had a slightly different emphasis. Or how much information did you gain from it about the recent political or economical development? ;)
It is not about the result of the election but about the way it is going. The drek-digging, the mud-slugging. Opportunities plentiful, I'd say.
I stumbled about this one as I first read Dunk's Secrets. Well, it is a non-profit-org, but still.
Anticipation of evolution? While I am at it: Go Kerry! </ad> :D |
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Feb 4 2004, 02:44 AM
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I wouldn't know. I haven't seen it anywhere around here, and I don't buy books blind.
I meant Ares. We could always consider these folks.
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Feb 4 2004, 03:52 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
Thank you SO much for that visual, now excuse me, I have to go gouge out my mind's eye. :eek: I think UCAS gets the attention because most cannon material is set in Seattle which is a part of the UCAS.Besides when you look at how the governments are set up the UCAS has a strong executive branch but the CAS seems to be a fist full of sand in a swiss watch-it dfoesn't budge and so lets the local government rule. |
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Feb 4 2004, 04:18 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Actually if you want a political spin on things, how about the elections in Seattle itself? A lot more local and a lot dirtier. The Mafia and Yaks seem to make a sport out of offing each others tame politicos in the local assemblies, throw in Brackhaven being a big noise locally and the prospect of elections for Mayor of the Metroplex as a whole as well. Gives you enough of a grand scene to play out on without it having to be a national/uber-plot thing.
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Feb 4 2004, 08:55 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 26-February 02 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 195 |
Couldn't player voting for the 2064 election be run through the Shadowrun website? Add a touch of metaplot, a few associated adventure hooks, maybe print a short summary in the next SOTA book and the whole thing could work well without being too much hassle.
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Feb 4 2004, 11:40 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Shibanokuji Freefall Resort Member No.: 1,043 |
I am actually preparing some adventure work on this, because our ingame timeline reached a convenient point (we're lagging a little) Yet there isn't that much info on it either. My reason to stay well behind the official timeline is because then I can see development and do my own thing without contradicting canon. However, this only works if there is official development. Instead, some things are almost never mentioned in years. And then, all of a sudden, a loud pop occurs, and the last five years' events are revealed as everything was there all the time, you just didn't see it. Hard to work with that.
That would really be participation of the players' community! Would it be representative, or worse, coherent with the über-plot, though?
I second that! Or even a book on its own: "Who is Who in 2064". I would buy it, I Promise. Does not need to be as thick as SONA or Dot6W. By the way, what actually did happen to Schultz? Disappeared in SCIRE, alright. But since DEUS is gone? Anyone heard anything since? |
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Feb 4 2004, 04:30 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
SoNA was kinda precise on the CAS political scene, and Sprawl Survival Guide caught up about the UCAS. BTW a women is leading the Democrats, and the Technocrats seem in good shape enough to be serious contender for Haeffner (on my own I think the death of Lars J. Matthews has the potential to ruin Daviar's political career). We haven't been as much informed about the political scene than we ever were since the beginning of SR, and we're still only mid-2063. we could have the primaries getting a good chunk of the media chapter of SOTA:2064, some political organizations in Loose Alliances, and there's still the website. The results could still shows up in SOTA:2065.
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