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post Dec 31 2009, 06:37 AM
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One thing that you are forgetting though, Medicineman, is that many of the negative modifiers can be compensated for... Though I do agree that 200 BP is a fairly low expenditure...
not at all.but to Compensate (f.E Darkness) means Technology like Smartgun or Cybereyes, but with only 200 Points They'd hardly have the Resources:100 for Attributes, 20-40 for Metarace or Magic/TM,50-60 for Skills( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif) ) , some Connections (Disadvantages are than mandatory)
They'd be Lucky to have 5 Pts for Resources

Kovu Mufasa made a good Point.
Its not restrictions from the Gamemaster that gets a good Lowstyle campaign,but the willingness of the Players
but if you cut their Character abilities down, They'd hardly have a chance !
F.E Firefight :If ,after all Modifiers have been Calculated, and they only Roll 2 or 3 Dice, they will surely want a Laserpointer or Smartlink or better weapons and Upgrades,etc and thats contrary to the Intention of having a lowstyle Campaign

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post Jan 1 2010, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE (Medicineman @ Dec 30 2009, 11:37 PM) *
One thing that you are forgetting though, Medicineman, is that many of the negative modifiers can be compensated for... Though I do agree that 200 BP is a fairly low expenditure...
not at all.but to Compensate (f.E Darkness) means Technology like Smartgun or Cybereyes, but with only 200 Points They'd hardly have the Resources:100 for Attributes, 20-40 for Metarace or Magic/TM,50-60 for Skills( (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohplease.gif) ) , some Connections (Disadvantages are than mandatory)
They'd be Lucky to have 5 Pts for Resources

Kovu Mufasa made a good Point.
Its not restrictions from the Gamemaster that gets a good Lowstyle campaign,but the willingness of the Players
but if you cut their Character abilities down, They'd hardly have a chance !
F.E Firefight :If ,after all Modifiers have been Calculated, and they only Roll 2 or 3 Dice, they will surely want a Laserpointer or Smartlink or better weapons and Upgrades,etc and thats contrary to the Intention of having a lowstyle Campaign

Keep the Faith (and keep on Dancing)
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That is true... Hadn't thought that far into the character limits of 200 points...

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post Jan 1 2010, 04:51 PM
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cyber is cheap as dirt. You can get eyes for 1-2BP, now if you want a smartgun or wired 1 you need at least availability 8 to be available. But wired 1 is what 11,000, my quickie build from before had 6 points to spare once i changed close combat to unarmed and picked up perception. That would be 30,000 in cyber which is more than plenty for a low end game if you allowed that much cash. And he still has room for 35 points in limitations to improve in other areas.
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post Jan 1 2010, 05:48 PM
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So you want to cut down the Chars by lowering their BP to 200 but you allow Smartlink and other enhancer to raise their Pool again ?
you're contradicting yourself !
and What is the Use of a Lowstyle Campaing if You add Hightechnology ?
So the Streetsam has a fightingpool of 6D + smartlink for 8 Dice total (minus Modifiers when the real fighting starts )
Wouldn't it be better for the Sam to have a pool of 7 or 8D but not including smartlink ?
The Chars are still capable and don't depend on Hightech ?

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post Jan 2 2010, 08:50 AM
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I don't see any problem in having a character who's somewhat dependent on smartlinks in low powered games. We may think of smartlinks as "high technology" but by SR standards we're talking about tech that's existed for well over a decade and comes integrated on many popular weapons by default. Heck, it's frankly realistic to expect people to use such things as a crutch to some extent, when it comes right down to it. A character with 8 dice sans smartlink might actually a better fit for a standard SR4 game than a low powered one, since a pair of smartlinked shades and an Ares Predator costs under a grand, and thus it's a not at all unrealistic to expect a combat oriented characters to steal or even purchase such a rig while in play. 10 dice may be a sorry total for a samurai, but it's probably well in line with the Face and non-combat specialists are packing, and thus may actually be a bit higher than many people would shoot for in a "newbie runner" game.
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post Jan 2 2010, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (Medicineman @ Jan 1 2010, 01:48 PM) *
So you want to cut down the Chars by lowering their BP to 200 but you allow Smartlink and other enhancer to raise their Pool again ?
you're contradicting yourself !
and What is the Use of a Lowstyle Campaing if You add Hightechnology ?
So the Streetsam has a fightingpool of 6D + smartlink for 8 Dice total (minus Modifiers when the real fighting starts )
Wouldn't it be better for the Sam to have a pool of 7 or 8D but not including smartlink ?
The Chars are still capable and don't depend on Hightech ?

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Actually I suggest a availability of 6, which removes smartguns and wired reflexes. But if having low levels of cyber was important to someones street level campaign its easy enough to say avail 8 instead of 6. And given how cheap they are its easy enough to come up with the BP for them.

Me I'd rather the ganger start off with really low end cyber, like eyes with thermo and flare. For low end games I like someone getting his first piece of combat ware being an in game event. It is a big deal and I prefer big character changing events to happen in game. Combat ware is sort of a right of passage or a sign that you are moving into a bigger world of criminal activity. For normal shadowruners sure its part of there background, for punk gangers I prefer it happen as part of the campaign. Again given the costs even gangers should be able to pull the money together after a few jobs. But hey others might be happy with low end combat ware being in the background of the character and so avail 8 would work for them.
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post Jan 4 2010, 04:08 AM
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Availbility of 6 does not remove smartgun.

I have to fully agree. The smartgun system is not "high tech." The Ares Predator IV with an availibility of 4R comes standard with a built in smartgun system. The only heavy pistol more available is the Ruger. And Glasses with smartlink are only 4R as well.

Actually, at street level, that is what would be expected. I can easily see the sammie proudly wearing his smartlinked glasses and the gun to go with them as a point of pride. They may be the only pair in the neighbourhood, but thats why he is the sammie.

I actually see that as more flavourful and logical than thermovision and flare compensation.
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post Jan 4 2010, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE (Godwyn @ Jan 3 2010, 11:08 PM) *
Availbility of 6 does not remove smartgun.

I have to fully agree. The smartgun system is not "high tech." The Ares Predator IV with an availibility of 4R comes standard with a built in smartgun system. The only heavy pistol more available is the Ruger. And Glasses with smartlink are only 4R as well.

Actually, at street level, that is what would be expected. I can easily see the sammie proudly wearing his smartlinked glasses and the gun to go with them as a point of pride. They may be the only pair in the neighbourhood, but thats why he is the sammie.

I actually see that as more flavourful and logical than thermovision and flare compensation.


sorry it removes smart gun cyber, which is what i thought we were discussing. You are right smartgun links outside of cybereyes are a lower availability, though with avail 6 you could have either low light or vision mag with it and that is it. Though you could have cyber eyes for the low light etc, and goggles/glasses for the smartgun.(how i wish earlier editions system of goggles being less effective at being a smartgun links was still around) If medicineman is refering to all smartguns I misunderstood him, but eh its +2 dice 8ish dice in speciifcally shooting does not break the low end feel IMO. there base will still be 6-7ish for most skills they focus on and some mods can get them past that.
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