RL boat- just made for runners. Options

[Snow_Fox]

I just wanted to share this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8442808.stm

The link is about a conflict between Japanese whalers (boo!) and the activists boats. Check out the details of the boat at the bottom of the article. It's the James Bond black ops boat from Hell.

Sleeps 6, 78 feet long, a range of up to 13,000 miles, top speed of 40 knots and capable of submerging up to 23 feet and oh, armors glass windshield and kevlar plating-official to defendd against icebergs but that sounds unlikely if I'm being a suspcious type.

[Karoline]

Sleeps 6, 78 feet long, a range of up to 13,000 miles, top speed of 40 knots and capable of submerging up to 23 feet and oh, armors glass windshield and kevlar plating-official to defendd against icebergs but that sounds unlikely if I'm being a suspcious type.

I'm guessing unofficially to defend against POed Japanese whalers. How many icebergs are around Japan anyway?

[Snow_Fox]

The article said the boat was built for a round the world race and was bought by the protestors a couple of years ago. But you look at that puppy and all I can think is serious black ops craft. The bit there doesn't mention it but earlier reports refered to it as a 'stealth' craft.

[Rotbart van Dain...]

It's a race craft.

[Heath Robinson]

The boat in question looks too suspicious to be used by any sensible 'runner. It practically shouts "I'm up to no good."

[Fix-it]

I'd rather have a Mark V (and the SEAL platoon that usually comes with it.)

[FlakJacket]

It's certainly nice in a futuristic looking way but for $2.5 million and those performance statistics it's not very good. A much better boat in my opinion are the smuggler boats that Crompton Marine - a firm from Lincolnshire here in the UK - were building for naughty people doing the Morocco/Algeria to southern Spain run a few years back. Take a standard 20 meter RIB, make a few modifications to get a nice low profile to help avoid radar, enlarge the fuel tanks, and then add eight 250-horsepower engines. Here's a picture of the eight engines and another from a different angle at sea. For only £350,000 you get a boat that can apparently carry five people, five tons of 'cargo', and has 2000-horsepower with a top speed of 60 knots. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Even taking the best of exchange rates that's still $1.8 million cheaper and 20 knots faster. In my games boats like these are fairly common in the Adriatic doing the Balkans-Italy run and in lots of other places.

I'd rather have a Mark V (and the SEAL platoon that usually comes with it.)

Nice but rather expensive. Ah US Naval Special Warfare Command and the Special Warfare Combatant-craft Crewmen, always a good background for your small boat smuggler/pirate types. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[tisoz]

Too bad the Ady Gil sank.

That 8 engine boat may be good for coastal ops, but I don't see it having near the range of the Ady Gil. It also doesn't look to have berths, or much in the way of prolonged cruise amenities (head, berth, galley.)

[Karoline]

Too bad the Ady Gil sank.

That 8 engine boat may be good for coastal ops, but I don't see it having near the range of the Ady Gil. It also doesn't look to have berths, or much in the way of prolonged cruise amenities (head, berth, galley.)

Yeah, you won't get far without a kitchen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Daylen]

am I the only one that hopes the Japanese win these conflicts? Seeing those whales hunted and pulled out the water makes me hungry for some sushi!

[Karoline]

am I the only one that hopes the Japanese win these conflicts? Seeing those whales hunted and pulled out the water makes me hungry for some sushi!

I don't think whale is used in sushi, though I guess it could be.

[FlakJacket]

That 8 engine boat may be good for coastal ops, but I don't see it having near the range of the Ady Gil.

Oh absolutely, it's definately a short to mid-range smuggler/covert specialist as designed. To equal the Ady Gil for range you'd have to have it carried by a larger vessel that stood far off the target whilst it ran in and back.

Yeah, you won't get far without a kitchen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Bottled water and ration packs. Chances are you're either going to be some sort of government/private sneaky types in which case you'll do as you're ordered or you're specialist entrepreneurs that will put up with it in return for large amounts of cash. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Heath Robinson]

I don't think whale is used in sushi, though I guess it could be.

Googling would suggest otherwise.

[Karoline]

Bottled water and ration packs. Chances are you're either going to be some sort of government/private sneaky types in which case you'll do as you're ordered or you're specialist entrepreneurs that will put up with it in return for large amounts of cash. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

True, but on a longer voyage, morale will plummet quickly without a kitchen. Especially on a small boat like this where the only things to do are eat and sleep.

Edit:

Googling would suggest otherwise.

Ewww... that doesn't look appetizing at all

[BetaFlame]

We all know this is what the average runner can afford for his at-sea ops.

http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/images/somali_pirates.jpg

[Karoline]

We all know this is what the average runner can afford for his at-sea ops.

http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/images/somali_pirates.jpg

Not really. A Yacht is only listed at 17k. That's well within the price range of your average runner.

[Daylen]

whale sushi looks appetising to me. Fried chicken fingers looks very nasty.

[Daylen]

a yacht for 17k would be a very very small one... most should be in the 100k nY+ range. That is still not too bad I'd think for a team though unless they lost it every single run; in which case they are supid or the GM is an ass.

[Dahrken]

Not really. A Yacht is only listed at 17k. That's well within the price range of your average runner.

If you think about the Sea Nymph of the core rulebook, it's 170K, not 17K...

[Karoline]

If you think about the Sea Nymph of the core rulebook, it's 170K, not 17K...

Oh? I hadn't noticed that get errataed.

[nylanfs]

This is the current goal for one of my runners. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[MJBurrage]

The Ady Gil was originally named Earthrace, and was built to "break the world record for circumnavigating the globe in a powerboat", which it did on June 27, 2008.

Afterwards it was loaned to the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society for "non-confrontational" use. During such use it was sideswiped by a Japanese whaler, which completely destroyed the bow of the Ady Gil eventually sinking her. There was no apparent damage to the whaler.

The reason the boat would be good for runners is stealth; note that it can operate as a submarine. The flaw is that it is built from light-weight composites for racing purposes. Many games overlook that for very fast (or flying) vehicles, the construction required means that any collision or crash basically totals the vehicle.

———
Related note, an old rigger character of mine used a limousine with ruthenium polymers and full submersion capable amphibious modification. It also had a drone rack using micro-skimmer drones that had the same submersion capable amphibious modifications. So I could sneak around borders as a quiet-running submarine and blend in to almost any city as just a limousine. The drones (which could be launched and retrieved under or above water gave situational awareness during combat, and when using boat ramps (to remain unobserved). The catch was that it could not (without magical aid) outrun any dedicated water craft.

[Daylen]

not quite true the A-10 is very durable. for fast or flying vehicles one can make them heavy and very durable; one simply must burn more fuel in a large powerplant to make up for the extra weight.

[hobgoblin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0k9UoJIGk

or one can go black lagoon, using a leftover MTB:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Torpedo_Boat

or maybe scale up to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skjold_class_patrol_boat

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

oh, i guess this could also work:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrol_Boat,_River

[MJBurrage]

not quite true the A-10 is very durable. for fast or flying vehicles one can make them heavy and very durable; one simply must burn more fuel in a large powerplant to make up for the extra weight.

The A-10 is a good example of design in that it has at least triple redundancy and much of the design is focused around keeping the pilot alive and the vehicle flyble enough to return to base. That does not mean it would not be damaged beyond a reasonable point of repair by any collision, only that it has enough redundancy for that last return flight.

After it gets back it may be rebuilt with enough parts; but so could any totaled vehicle. I was using totaled the same way insurance does (the repair cost is more than the second-hand value of a replacement, I.E. cheaper to replace than repair.) In the case of manned combat aircraft, the amount of maintenance per flight hour is high enough to effect these economic calculation.

Just an example: According to the USAF, the variable cost per flying hour—so not including purchase or procurement costs, just what it cost to operate once you have it—"for the F-22 in 2008 was $19K, while for the F-15 was $17K"