Feb 7 2010, 05:59 PM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,031 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
As much fun as it is to make fun of White Wolf, I recently got Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines off of Steam, which makes me glad because the last time I tried to buy it used off amazon.com the CD was very expensive.
It's actually a really, really good RPG. There's lots of quests, a well done game world in terms of atmosphere, lots of skills, and a rich enough story backround to really support a decent CRPG. The atmosphere really reminded me of the SNES Shadowrun game. I am completely impressed that they implemented all of the vampire clans, Masquerade violations, and all that kind of stuff, and at the same time made all the quests and storylines work at the same time for, say, the Nosferatu as well as all those other guys who have the actual ability to be social. That's a lot of work, right there, and a lot of gameplay approaches they had to implement. Although I only played White Wolf once or twice in my whole life, from what I recall it seems like they largely avoided dumbing down or simplyfing the RPG rules, and I really have to give credit to any computer game designers who remain true to their source in that way. I've only just started the game, which Steam should have automatically patched to 1.2, but we'll have to see if I hit any of the infamous game-destroying bugs that apparently ruined the commercial success of this game back when it was released. I'll play it through once normally, maybe once again as a Malkavian just for the hell of it, and then I'll have to see about all those unofficial patches I've read about on gamefaqs.com I think it's pretty hilarious that most of the vampires look all chic and artsy. Goddamn, if I were a vampire who was 100 years old, I think I'd have better things to do than go through the trouble to look like an affluent clubbing 20-something. The whole, "you're tempted and threatened by your hunger for blood and the beast within while striving to hold onto your humanity" sounds like some big allegory to me for some kind of narcissistic personality disorder. With a narcissistic personality disorder you have trouble empathizing with other people although you still have some kind of conscience (because you're not a sociopath) and although you normally give into your own insecurity and fear such that you victimize or use others (drain their blood or ghoul them) you still sometimes feel bad about that and secretly hate yourself (that's your humanity score right there). The fact that lots of the vampires go through the trouble to dress up chic and artsy and/or wear Burberry suits and be very polite seems to symbolize the great lengths a narcissistic individual will go through to maintain a pretense of the ordered or respectable nature of their own life in spite of the fact they're usually experiencing a lot of fear or insecurity about not in fact being a perfect person. I think it's kind of funny because it just sounds like whomever came up with the concept of the game has had some experience with that particular psychological disorder and basically made a game about it. I guess all the vampires would turn out OK if they just took some psychotherapy. Heh, either that or they can just sit around listening to Linkin Park at a bowling alley during the daytime before heading out at night to play their games. It's also funny because if I were a vampire like depicted in the game I wouldn't feel that I had the time for all those elaborate patty-cake games and pretenses and playing petty politics with other vampires. IMO the big problem with life is that it's too short, whereas there are all sorts of awesome things out there to do such that you probably can't do all of them. There's all kinds of experiences you can have and skills and disciplines you can develop, but again you don't have unlimited energy or time. Add to that the fact that as a normal human you need income, food, etc. and a lot of your time and energy is going to go towards accruing those necessities, and that the end can come very unexpectedly, like you go to the hospital and get a huge medical bill that explodes all the planning and stability in your life. So, if I were a vampire who were immune to the negative health effects of being homeless, who didn't need to buy food, who was pretty much unkillable, and whose only major restriction was needing to avoid sunlight (I don't consider the blood drinking to be a major restriction compared ot being a human...needing to eat the flesh dead animals is pretty similar to needing to drink the blood out of dead animals), I'd aggressively spend all my time pursuing hobbies and interests while not wasting time on things that are no longer necessary. It would also be possible to participate aggressively in physically risky endeavors that would be stupid if you were a human. Kind of like min-maxing my unlife. All of a sudden it would be realistic to set out to read every book in the Library of Congress, for example, or spend 100 years refining your skill with firearms. If you wanted to learn about wilderness and nature you could just up and walk up the Sierra Nevada for a year, since you wouldn't be able to die of hypothermia. You could just hang out in the woods for as long as you wanted eating rats and bears with a few books on nature and study all about it on site. Wanna go and do archeological studies in a politically unstable region of the world? Go ahead, if some AK wielding tough guys come and bother you at night you can just eat them all and hide the bodies. Wanna visit all the great museums in the world? Go ahead, break in by night when nobody is there using your superpowers and enjoy the exhibits all to yourself. Wanna learn to paint or play the guitar? Well you finally have all the time to practice without being impeded by being poor. Wanna race stock cars? Well all of a sudden now it's safe, even if you suck at driving. If vampires are going to get all depressed over these kinds of opportunities, well, hell, they're clearly all suffering from a personality disorder. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) -------------------- The good old days. When vampires sucked blood, not dick.
-SuperboyConnerKent, in the comments section, http://youtu.be/Y33hGaEgW7U |
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Feb 10 2010, 02:44 PM
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Midnight Toker ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,676 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
One thing I found annoying about Bloodlines is the fact that normal humans can take multiple headshots without even noticing. I understand that it was meant to be accurate to the P&P rules, but humans should die when you make giant holes in their skulls by shooting them in the face multiple times. At the very least, they should be inconvienced.
Another thing I found funny is that despite the fact that both guns and Toreadors are fairly useless early on, once you've gotten a Steyr AUG your artsy-fartsy vampire can be the most deadly combat monster in the game. Because temporary bonuses aren't capped, Auspex can be used to give a character 13 in ranged combat (14 if he has a certain item that's only available in certain patches) Combine that with Celerity for super speed and the AUG's decent damage and superb full-auto accuracy and you're essentialy a vampire chainsaw that will cut through the most powerful boses with ease. -------------------- QUOTE (Thomas Jefferson) As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks. Your name is Toby |
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Feb 11 2010, 12:16 AM
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,031 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
One thing I found annoying about Bloodlines is the fact that normal humans can take multiple headshots without even noticing. I understand that it was meant to be accurate to the P&P rules, but humans should die when you make giant holes in their skulls by shooting them in the face multiple times. At the very least, they should be inconvienced. Another thing I found funny is that despite the fact that both guns and Toreadors are fairly useless early on, once you've gotten a Steyr AUG your artsy-fartsy vampire can be the most deadly combat monster in the game. Because temporary bonuses aren't capped, Auspex can be used to give a character 13 in ranged combat (14 if he has a certain item that's only available in certain patches) Combine that with Celerity for super speed and the AUG's decent damage and superb full-auto accuracy and you're essentialy a vampire chainsaw that will cut through the most powerful boses with ease. Did you notice how the .38 Special cartridges are all hollow points? I thought it was hilarious that a gangbanger can take multiple JHPs to the head and be okay, but I honestly didn't mind because I understood that the game was being true to White Wolf, and that White Wolf was never intended to be realistic tactical combat. I'm taking the time to aim for headshots, but I'm not 100% sure if the game is awarding me extra damage for headshots. -------------------- The good old days. When vampires sucked blood, not dick.
-SuperboyConnerKent, in the comments section, http://youtu.be/Y33hGaEgW7U |
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Wounded Ronin Played Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines videogame Feb 7 2010, 05:59 PM
CanadianWolverine Oh man, are you going to enjoy the multiple ending... Feb 8 2010, 12:14 AM
Angelone VtM- Bloodlines is a great game. It's only rea... Feb 8 2010, 12:51 AM
tete QUOTE (Angelone @ Feb 8 2010, 01:51 AM) V... Feb 10 2010, 11:54 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (tete @ Feb 10 2010, 06:54 PM) I wo... Feb 11 2010, 08:04 AM
StealthSigma QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 11 2010, 04:04 AM) ... Feb 11 2010, 01:24 PM
hobgoblin iirc, the community patches work ok, tho i have no... Feb 8 2010, 01:28 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 7 2010, 09:28 PM) ... Feb 8 2010, 03:20 AM
hobgoblin QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 8 2010, 04:20 ... Feb 8 2010, 04:29 AM
Critias To me, the goofy pretentious self-interested minds... Feb 8 2010, 03:56 AM
tete The .38 thing... do you realise that the accuracy ... Feb 11 2010, 12:54 AM
Crusher Bob I really liked the Malk dialog in the game. As lo... Feb 11 2010, 11:00 AM
Adarael Also because whenever the Toreadors in Elysium sta... Feb 11 2010, 06:49 PM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Adarael @ Feb 11 2010, 02:49 PM) A... Feb 11 2010, 08:32 PM
Critias QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Feb 11 2010, 03:32 ... Feb 12 2010, 07:23 AM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 12 2010, 03:23 AM) W... Feb 12 2010, 01:32 PM
Adarael Not at all. But in a throwdown between Celerity vs... Feb 12 2010, 02:52 AM
Adarael That said, let no vampire go forth into the wilds ... Feb 12 2010, 04:22 PM
tete IIRC (just like shadowrun) 2e the celerity monkey ... Feb 12 2010, 04:40 PM
Wounded Ronin Freakishly fickle dice mechanic is right. I remem... Feb 12 2010, 11:39 PM
Critias QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 12 2010, 06:39... Feb 12 2010, 11:57 PM
tete QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 12 2010, 11:57 PM) A... Feb 13 2010, 08:33 AM
hobgoblin QUOTE (tete @ Feb 13 2010, 09:33 AM) Heck... Feb 13 2010, 09:30 AM
Critias QUOTE (tete @ Feb 13 2010, 03:33 AM) Look... Feb 13 2010, 05:59 PM
tete QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 13 2010, 05:59 PM) Y... Feb 15 2010, 08:28 PM
Critias QUOTE (tete @ Feb 15 2010, 03:28 PM) I st... Feb 15 2010, 08:49 PM
hobgoblin sounds like a dice mechanic that was designed to g... Feb 13 2010, 12:09 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 12 2010, 07:09 PM)... Feb 13 2010, 03:10 AM
Critias QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 12 2010, 07:09 PM)... Feb 13 2010, 03:53 AM
Wounded Ronin I'm having trouble with the quest where you mu... Feb 13 2010, 04:37 PM
Critias QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 13 2010, 11:37... Feb 13 2010, 05:50 PM
Wounded Ronin I remember one guy had a house rule that tried to ... Feb 13 2010, 11:14 PM
Crusher Bob I think I finished that quest without celerity usi... Feb 14 2010, 04:27 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 14 2010, 12:27 A... Feb 14 2010, 05:41 AM
Crusher Bob Since the zombies keep spawning, and they only sta... Feb 14 2010, 07:02 AM
Wounded Ronin Well, I tried the cemetary quest again for another... Feb 15 2010, 10:23 PM
Wounded Ronin I just watched someone play through what seemed li... Feb 15 2010, 10:56 PM
Critias I'd suggest either (a) trying a different leve... Feb 15 2010, 11:31 PM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 15 2010, 07:31 PM) I... Feb 15 2010, 11:47 PM
tete Have you tried to go get the girl while he takes c... Feb 16 2010, 05:08 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (tete @ Feb 16 2010, 01:08 AM) Have... Feb 17 2010, 01:18 AM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 16 2010, 09:18... Feb 17 2010, 12:49 PM
Crusher Bob The ruined hospital is downtown, there a chain-lin... Feb 16 2010, 05:31 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 16 2010, 12:31 A... Feb 17 2010, 01:20 AM
hyzmarca It isn't that firearms are nerfed so much that... Feb 17 2010, 02:13 AM
Wounded Ronin WOOHOOO EJKJKEEGGAAAHHHAAA I COMPLETED THE QUEST... Feb 17 2010, 03:18 AM
Critias Good job! Now go buy your Brawl-oriented Gang... Feb 17 2010, 04:26 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 16 2010, 11:26 PM) G... Feb 18 2010, 04:42 AM
Critias A Gangrel without claws, is just...just...*twitche... Feb 18 2010, 04:50 AM
Crusher Bob Another thing worth mentioning that isn't obvi... Feb 18 2010, 08:12 AM
hobgoblin end result is that the owod system had 3 damage tr... Feb 18 2010, 09:00 AM
Crusher Bob Eh? It was vampires that had trouble with aggravat... Feb 18 2010, 09:11 AM
Professor Evil Overlord QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 18 2010, 01:11 A... Feb 18 2010, 09:40 AM
hobgoblin note the careless part
btw, i did a bit of check... Feb 18 2010, 09:17 AM
tete So when I play bloodlines I pick a single discipli... Feb 18 2010, 05:44 PM
Critias In a (fairly) recent Vampire game, my Anarch-turne... Feb 18 2010, 05:49 PM
Crusher Bob I don't like what the revised damage system di... Feb 19 2010, 04:06 AM
Crusher Bob I don't like what the revised damage system di... Feb 19 2010, 04:06 AM
Professor Evil Overlord QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 18 2010, 08:06 P... Feb 19 2010, 09:00 AM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 19 2010,... Feb 20 2010, 12:34 AM
tete QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 20 2010, 12:34... Feb 21 2010, 04:09 AM
hobgoblin i suspect this shows that vampire was the focus of... Feb 19 2010, 09:46 AM
tete While Vampire was a big portion (especially of the... Feb 19 2010, 03:55 PM
Critias Yeah, the big damage change pretty much made Mages... Feb 19 2010, 06:21 PM
hyzmarca I imagine that the logic behind that is in the fac... Feb 20 2010, 01:45 AM
Professor Evil Overlord QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 19 2010, 05:45 PM) ... Feb 21 2010, 04:07 AM
StealthSigma QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 21 2010,... Feb 22 2010, 12:15 PM
hobgoblin also, there is the wood issue Feb 20 2010, 08:06 AM
Wounded Ronin So, wait, in WOD, werewolves are, like, immune to ... Feb 20 2010, 06:43 PM
Critias QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 20 2010, 01:43... Feb 21 2010, 02:23 AM
Karoline So, skipping over reading all the stuff about WOD ... Feb 20 2010, 10:32 PM
Wounded Ronin QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 20 2010, 06:32 PM) ... Feb 20 2010, 11:31 PM
Karoline As I recall you have to go into your C:\progr... Feb 21 2010, 02:30 AM
Crusher Bob The patch adds some stuff with your ghoul, changes... Feb 21 2010, 04:18 AM
hyzmarca http://www.patches-scrolls.de/vampire_bloodlines.p... Feb 21 2010, 02:22 PM
Wounded Ronin Well, I finished the game yesterday evening in a f... Feb 22 2010, 02:02 AM
tete QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 22 2010, 03:02... Feb 22 2010, 06:00 PM
Wounded Ronin Well, I just started my second playthough. I figu... Feb 22 2010, 03:40 AM
Critias Overall, it really is a pretty good game (my kvetc... Feb 22 2010, 05:21 AM
hyzmarca The Sheriff is a puzzle boss for melee characters.... Feb 22 2010, 07:42 AM
Karoline Just so I don't have to worry about what is an... Feb 22 2010, 09:10 PM
Critias QUOTE (Karoline @ Feb 22 2010, 04:10 PM) ... Feb 22 2010, 09:51 PM
tete I always loved the Tremere, though some of their p... Feb 22 2010, 10:51 PM
Critias QUOTE (tete @ Feb 22 2010, 05:51 PM) I al... Feb 23 2010, 02:25 AM
tete QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 23 2010, 03:25 AM) I... Feb 23 2010, 05:30 AM
Wounded Ronin I am noticing that whenever I hit a segment with s... Apr 6 2010, 02:11 AM
Karoline QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 5 2010, 10:11 ... Apr 26 2010, 02:04 AM
Wounded Ronin Yeah, when I have a little more time I'll have... Apr 26 2010, 05:04 AM
Tanegar Thread necromancy go!
I bought Bloodlines yes... Mar 3 2012, 08:29 PM
Seriously Mike I played the game long ago and quit it in disgust ... Mar 4 2012, 06:52 PM
Tanegar QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Mar 4 2012, 01:52... Mar 4 2012, 11:45 PM
Seriously Mike QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 5 2012, 12:45 AM) Yo... Mar 5 2012, 08:17 AM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Mar 5 2012, 12:17... Mar 6 2012, 12:15 AM
CanRay Tried a Mage game once as a player... I was the o... Mar 4 2012, 07:00 PM
Seriously Mike Yeah, pretty much. It's a pretty popular opini... Mar 6 2012, 11:33 AM
KarmaInferno My only real experience with playing Vampire was a... Mar 7 2012, 08:09 AM
Tanegar Every Vampire game I've ever heard of was a LA... Mar 7 2012, 08:55 AM
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