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Wounded Ronin
post Feb 7 2010, 05:59 PM
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As much fun as it is to make fun of White Wolf, I recently got Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines off of Steam, which makes me glad because the last time I tried to buy it used off amazon.com the CD was very expensive.

It's actually a really, really good RPG. There's lots of quests, a well done game world in terms of atmosphere, lots of skills, and a rich enough story backround to really support a decent CRPG. The atmosphere really reminded me of the SNES Shadowrun game. I am completely impressed that they implemented all of the vampire clans, Masquerade violations, and all that kind of stuff, and at the same time made all the quests and storylines work at the same time for, say, the Nosferatu as well as all those other guys who have the actual ability to be social. That's a lot of work, right there, and a lot of gameplay approaches they had to implement. Although I only played White Wolf once or twice in my whole life, from what I recall it seems like they largely avoided dumbing down or simplyfing the RPG rules, and I really have to give credit to any computer game designers who remain true to their source in that way.

I've only just started the game, which Steam should have automatically patched to 1.2, but we'll have to see if I hit any of the infamous game-destroying bugs that apparently ruined the commercial success of this game back when it was released.

I'll play it through once normally, maybe once again as a Malkavian just for the hell of it, and then I'll have to see about all those unofficial patches I've read about on gamefaqs.com

I think it's pretty hilarious that most of the vampires look all chic and artsy. Goddamn, if I were a vampire who was 100 years old, I think I'd have better things to do than go through the trouble to look like an affluent clubbing 20-something.

The whole, "you're tempted and threatened by your hunger for blood and the beast within while striving to hold onto your humanity" sounds like some big allegory to me for some kind of narcissistic personality disorder. With a narcissistic personality disorder you have trouble empathizing with other people although you still have some kind of conscience (because you're not a sociopath) and although you normally give into your own insecurity and fear such that you victimize or use others (drain their blood or ghoul them) you still sometimes feel bad about that and secretly hate yourself (that's your humanity score right there). The fact that lots of the vampires go through the trouble to dress up chic and artsy and/or wear Burberry suits and be very polite seems to symbolize the great lengths a narcissistic individual will go through to maintain a pretense of the ordered or respectable nature of their own life in spite of the fact they're usually experiencing a lot of fear or insecurity about not in fact being a perfect person. I think it's kind of funny because it just sounds like whomever came up with the concept of the game has had some experience with that particular psychological disorder and basically made a game about it. I guess all the vampires would turn out OK if they just took some psychotherapy. Heh, either that or they can just sit around listening to Linkin Park at a bowling alley during the daytime before heading out at night to play their games.

It's also funny because if I were a vampire like depicted in the game I wouldn't feel that I had the time for all those elaborate patty-cake games and pretenses and playing petty politics with other vampires. IMO the big problem with life is that it's too short, whereas there are all sorts of awesome things out there to do such that you probably can't do all of them. There's all kinds of experiences you can have and skills and disciplines you can develop, but again you don't have unlimited energy or time. Add to that the fact that as a normal human you need income, food, etc. and a lot of your time and energy is going to go towards accruing those necessities, and that the end can come very unexpectedly, like you go to the hospital and get a huge medical bill that explodes all the planning and stability in your life. So, if I were a vampire who were immune to the negative health effects of being homeless, who didn't need to buy food, who was pretty much unkillable, and whose only major restriction was needing to avoid sunlight (I don't consider the blood drinking to be a major restriction compared ot being a human...needing to eat the flesh dead animals is pretty similar to needing to drink the blood out of dead animals), I'd aggressively spend all my time pursuing hobbies and interests while not wasting time on things that are no longer necessary. It would also be possible to participate aggressively in physically risky endeavors that would be stupid if you were a human. Kind of like min-maxing my unlife.

All of a sudden it would be realistic to set out to read every book in the Library of Congress, for example, or spend 100 years refining your skill with firearms. If you wanted to learn about wilderness and nature you could just up and walk up the Sierra Nevada for a year, since you wouldn't be able to die of hypothermia. You could just hang out in the woods for as long as you wanted eating rats and bears with a few books on nature and study all about it on site. Wanna go and do archeological studies in a politically unstable region of the world? Go ahead, if some AK wielding tough guys come and bother you at night you can just eat them all and hide the bodies. Wanna visit all the great museums in the world? Go ahead, break in by night when nobody is there using your superpowers and enjoy the exhibits all to yourself. Wanna learn to paint or play the guitar? Well you finally have all the time to practice without being impeded by being poor. Wanna race stock cars? Well all of a sudden now it's safe, even if you suck at driving.

If vampires are going to get all depressed over these kinds of opportunities, well, hell, they're clearly all suffering from a personality disorder. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Feb 19 2010, 04:06 AM
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I don't like what the revised damage system did to mage. It leads too much to mages having the adventure from teh safety of their couches (which mages are mostly capable of doing)
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QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 18 2010, 08:06 PM) *
I don't like what the revised damage system did to mage. It leads too much to mages having the adventure from teh safety of their couches (which mages are mostly capable of doing)


Personally, I don't like the revised damage rules period. The distinction between bashing and lethal is counter intuitive at best. Why can mortals suddenly not soak anything other than fists and clubs? A weedy 100 pound teenager was suddenly just as tough against a knife as a pro boxer. Really? Aggro and lethal were exactly the same for soaking for fae, mages, shapeshifters, and mortals. They could either soak everything or nothing at all. You could be killed just as easily by bashing/lethal/aggro. For fae and shapeshifters all three types of damage were exactly the same when it came to soaking. You rolled the exact same number of dice against the same difficulty. Once your damage track filled up you were just as helpless and just as dead. It was just a silly way to make mages and mortals stupidly weak in combat.

The distinction between the three only really made a difference for vampires, who took half damage from bashing and couldn't soak aggro without using disciplines (fortitude was the easiest, but not the only way). For some reason, they decided guns were bashing against vamps. I guess they wanted melee to be better. So much better that you stood to do more damage with a knife (STR+1 lethal) than most firearms (3-8 bashing). Especially since you could use blood and potence to massively raise HTH damage anyways. Things were skewed enough already, and now guns did half damage on top. The best part was that arrows did lethal. You were actually better off with weapons that were several hundred years out of date.
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post Feb 20 2010, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 19 2010, 05:00 AM) *
You were actually better off with weapons that were several hundred years out of date.


I also noticed and was amused by how in the video game the hunters tended to run around with crossbows.

So crossbows, which do the same thing as rifles in terms of piercing flesh with a pointy high velocity object, somehow do a lot more damage...because the bolt doesn't spin? Because the velocity is lower?

By that logic I should be able to cold-load some .45 ACP cartridges and slow them down enough to make them do crossbow bolt damage, or maybe cold load some shotgun slugs and fire them out of a short-barrelled shotgun. Or maybe I should use a 50 caliber blackpowder flintlock pistol for uber damage because it'd be slow and large.
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- Wounded Ronin   Played Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines videogame   Feb 7 2010, 05:59 PM
- - CanadianWolverine   Oh man, are you going to enjoy the multiple ending...   Feb 8 2010, 12:14 AM
- - Angelone   VtM- Bloodlines is a great game. It's only rea...   Feb 8 2010, 12:51 AM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Angelone @ Feb 8 2010, 01:51 AM) V...   Feb 10 2010, 11:54 PM
|- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (tete @ Feb 10 2010, 06:54 PM) I wo...   Feb 11 2010, 08:04 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 11 2010, 04:04 AM) ...   Feb 11 2010, 01:24 PM
- - hobgoblin   iirc, the community patches work ok, tho i have no...   Feb 8 2010, 01:28 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 7 2010, 09:28 PM) ...   Feb 8 2010, 03:20 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 8 2010, 04:20 ...   Feb 8 2010, 04:29 AM
- - Critias   To me, the goofy pretentious self-interested minds...   Feb 8 2010, 03:56 AM
- - hyzmarca   One thing I found annoying about Bloodlines is the...   Feb 10 2010, 02:44 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 10 2010, 09:44 AM) ...   Feb 11 2010, 12:16 AM
- - tete   The .38 thing... do you realise that the accuracy ...   Feb 11 2010, 12:54 AM
- - Crusher Bob   I really liked the Malk dialog in the game. As lo...   Feb 11 2010, 11:00 AM
- - Adarael   Also because whenever the Toreadors in Elysium sta...   Feb 11 2010, 06:49 PM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Adarael @ Feb 11 2010, 02:49 PM) A...   Feb 11 2010, 08:32 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Feb 11 2010, 03:32 ...   Feb 12 2010, 07:23 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 12 2010, 03:23 AM) W...   Feb 12 2010, 01:32 PM
- - Adarael   Not at all. But in a throwdown between Celerity vs...   Feb 12 2010, 02:52 AM
- - Adarael   That said, let no vampire go forth into the wilds ...   Feb 12 2010, 04:22 PM
- - tete   IIRC (just like shadowrun) 2e the celerity monkey ...   Feb 12 2010, 04:40 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   Freakishly fickle dice mechanic is right. I remem...   Feb 12 2010, 11:39 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 12 2010, 06:39...   Feb 12 2010, 11:57 PM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 12 2010, 11:57 PM) A...   Feb 13 2010, 08:33 AM
|- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (tete @ Feb 13 2010, 09:33 AM) Heck...   Feb 13 2010, 09:30 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (tete @ Feb 13 2010, 03:33 AM) Look...   Feb 13 2010, 05:59 PM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 13 2010, 05:59 PM) Y...   Feb 15 2010, 08:28 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (tete @ Feb 15 2010, 03:28 PM) I st...   Feb 15 2010, 08:49 PM
- - hobgoblin   sounds like a dice mechanic that was designed to g...   Feb 13 2010, 12:09 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 12 2010, 07:09 PM)...   Feb 13 2010, 03:10 AM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Feb 12 2010, 07:09 PM)...   Feb 13 2010, 03:53 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   I'm having trouble with the quest where you mu...   Feb 13 2010, 04:37 PM
|- - Critias   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 13 2010, 11:37...   Feb 13 2010, 05:50 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   I remember one guy had a house rule that tried to ...   Feb 13 2010, 11:14 PM
- - Crusher Bob   I think I finished that quest without celerity usi...   Feb 14 2010, 04:27 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 14 2010, 12:27 A...   Feb 14 2010, 05:41 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Since the zombies keep spawning, and they only sta...   Feb 14 2010, 07:02 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   Well, I tried the cemetary quest again for another...   Feb 15 2010, 10:23 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   I just watched someone play through what seemed li...   Feb 15 2010, 10:56 PM
- - Critias   I'd suggest either (a) trying a different leve...   Feb 15 2010, 11:31 PM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 15 2010, 07:31 PM) I...   Feb 15 2010, 11:47 PM
- - tete   Have you tried to go get the girl while he takes c...   Feb 16 2010, 05:08 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (tete @ Feb 16 2010, 01:08 AM) Have...   Feb 17 2010, 01:18 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 16 2010, 09:18...   Feb 17 2010, 12:49 PM
- - Crusher Bob   The ruined hospital is downtown, there a chain-lin...   Feb 16 2010, 05:31 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 16 2010, 12:31 A...   Feb 17 2010, 01:20 AM
- - hyzmarca   It isn't that firearms are nerfed so much that...   Feb 17 2010, 02:13 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   WOOHOOO EJKJKEEGGAAAHHHAAA I COMPLETED THE QUEST...   Feb 17 2010, 03:18 AM
- - Critias   Good job! Now go buy your Brawl-oriented Gang...   Feb 17 2010, 04:26 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Critias @ Feb 16 2010, 11:26 PM) G...   Feb 18 2010, 04:42 AM
- - Critias   A Gangrel without claws, is just...just...*twitche...   Feb 18 2010, 04:50 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Another thing worth mentioning that isn't obvi...   Feb 18 2010, 08:12 AM
- - hobgoblin   end result is that the owod system had 3 damage tr...   Feb 18 2010, 09:00 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Eh? It was vampires that had trouble with aggravat...   Feb 18 2010, 09:11 AM
|- - Professor Evil Overlord   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 18 2010, 01:11 A...   Feb 18 2010, 09:40 AM
- - hobgoblin   note the careless part btw, i did a bit of check...   Feb 18 2010, 09:17 AM
- - tete   So when I play bloodlines I pick a single discipli...   Feb 18 2010, 05:44 PM
- - Critias   In a (fairly) recent Vampire game, my Anarch-turne...   Feb 18 2010, 05:49 PM
- - Crusher Bob   I don't like what the revised damage system di...   Feb 19 2010, 04:06 AM
- - Crusher Bob   I don't like what the revised damage system di...   Feb 19 2010, 04:06 AM
|- - Professor Evil Overlord   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Feb 18 2010, 08:06 P...   Feb 19 2010, 09:00 AM
|- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 19 2010,...   Feb 20 2010, 12:34 AM
|- - tete   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 20 2010, 12:34...   Feb 21 2010, 04:09 AM
- - hobgoblin   i suspect this shows that vampire was the focus of...   Feb 19 2010, 09:46 AM
- - tete   While Vampire was a big portion (especially of the...   Feb 19 2010, 03:55 PM
- - Critias   Yeah, the big damage change pretty much made Mages...   Feb 19 2010, 06:21 PM
- - hyzmarca   I imagine that the logic behind that is in the fac...   Feb 20 2010, 01:45 AM
|- - Professor Evil Overlord   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 19 2010, 05:45 PM) ...   Feb 21 2010, 04:07 AM
|- - StealthSigma   QUOTE (Professor Evil Overlord @ Feb 21 2010,...   Feb 22 2010, 12:15 PM
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- - Crusher Bob   The patch adds some stuff with your ghoul, changes...   Feb 21 2010, 04:18 AM
- - hyzmarca   http://www.patches-scrolls.de/vampire_bloodlines.p...   Feb 21 2010, 02:22 PM
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