A shotgun with some revolution |
A shotgun with some revolution |
Feb 19 2010, 01:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 30-July 09 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 17,452 |
Here is something to replace the Eichiro Hatamoto:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/13/there...tgun-revolvers/ Less stylish, more functional. |
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Feb 19 2010, 01:04 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
and illegal in the states unfortunetly without a special licence due the the short barrel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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Feb 19 2010, 01:56 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
That's hardly a unique design. There are lots of shotgun-style handguns. The most popular I see is marketed as an anti-snake gun but is small enough to carry concealed.
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Feb 19 2010, 02:17 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Here is something to replace the Eichiro Hatamoto: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/02/13/there...tgun-revolvers/ Less stylish, more functional. Looks like you need a meat-fist to properly wield it. |
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Feb 19 2010, 03:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 30-July 09 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 17,452 |
That's hardly a unique design. There are lots of shotgun-style handguns. The most popular I see is marketed as an anti-snake gun but is small enough to carry concealed. Yeah the comments on that post mention the same thing. The anti snake gun is actually pistol ammunition that contains scatter shot. I saw this and began to wonder why we didn't have one in SR. The best we have canon is the Hatamoto. Looks like you need a meat-fist to properly wield it. And that was the second thought, a perfect toy for a ham-fisted troll gun-bunny. Or a hand cannon for as bruiser while they are closing. |
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Feb 19 2010, 03:28 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 24-January 10 From: Lurking about the Lagrange 5 point. Member No.: 18,070 |
You've got to like the "Made in USA" logo stamped on the side.
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Feb 21 2010, 02:25 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
DLN's husband has a blunderbuss, same effect but legal. And really weird, but he's a Brit.
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Feb 21 2010, 01:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Taurus has been making a shotgun revolver for some time, and selling the hell out of them in the states.
http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.c...eadcrumbseries= |
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Feb 21 2010, 04:16 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
and illegal in the states unfortunetly without a special licence due the the short barrel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Shotguns as defined by US law require a stock. If it doesn't have a stock then it isn't a shotgun. Hench a shotgun pistol is not a short-barreled shotgun, legally. The BATFE calssifies such weapons as "Any Other Weapon" which is a tenuous reaching definition that twists the meaning of the National Firearms Act. But anyway i only requiress a $5 tax stamp that is extremely easy to get compared to stamps for actual short barreled shotguns. |
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Feb 21 2010, 04:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 30-July 09 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 17,452 |
How would you stat one of these up for use in SR4A?
A quick write up yields a pistol that is better than many other pistols. Taurus TKR Damage: 7P (from shotgun damage code) AP: -1 (from shotgun AP code) Mode: SA (gun is DA capable) RC: 1 (Rubber shock absorbing grip) Ammo: 5(cy) Cost: 650 (Actual msrp $648) Note: uses shotgun ammo; double uncompensated recoil penalties Much more desirable than the Hatamoto in a heartbeat. |
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Feb 21 2010, 04:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 98 Joined: 27-December 09 Member No.: 17,999 |
How would you stat one of these up for use in SR4A? A quick write up yields a pistol that is better than many other pistols. Taurus TKR Damage: 7P (from shotgun damage code) AP: -1 (from shotgun AP code) Mode: SA (gun is DA capable) RC: 1 (Rubber shock absorbing grip) Ammo: 5(cy) Cost: 650 (Actual msrp $648) Note: uses shotgun ammo; double uncompensated recoil penalties Much more desirable than the Hatamoto in a heartbeat. I could be wrong in my half alseep stupor, but i am pretty sure the Taurus used a smaller shell than 12 gauge-maybe 6p base dmg. Also, i think their shouldn't be any stock recoil comp. That would eliminate any recoil completely, (unless someone modded it to do bursts)- making the personal grip mod useful, and not giving every ganger free unrestrained shot blasts. |
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Feb 21 2010, 05:15 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Tarrus revolvers are .410/.45. The shot shells are intended for defense against small varmints, not against people. It will probably kill a snake or a rat at close range. It is less effective against people. The .45, on the other hand, is a .45. It's about as effective as any other medium-heavy pistol.
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Feb 21 2010, 06:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 30-July 09 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 17,452 |
I could be wrong in my half alseep stupor, but i am pretty sure the Taurus used a smaller shell than 12 gauge-maybe 6p base dmg. Also, i think their shouldn't be any stock recoil comp. That would eliminate any recoil completely, (unless someone modded it to do bursts)- making the personal grip mod useful, and not giving every ganger free unrestrained shot blasts. You make a good point about the Taurus, apparently the .410 shell is significantly smaller. The gun in the original article is different from the Taurus revolver in that it is a 12 gauge revolver. This would yield a gun like the 'Hatamoto II' but with a cylinder with capacity of 6 instead of the feed capacity of 1 in the Hatamoto. |
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Feb 21 2010, 07:24 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I know some people love taurus to death, wow bad choice of words, but I can't look at them without thinking 'big an' chunky to cover the poor metalurgy." I know they've gotten much better in recnet years but I still have that old prejudice.
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Feb 21 2010, 07:28 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 15-July 09 Member No.: 17,395 |
ya, the gun made by taurus is called the judge and magnum research used to make one called the thunder 5. they both fire .410 shotgun shells or 45 long colt.
.410 is a considerably smaller shot than 12 or even 20 gauge. as a full shotgun it is commonly referred to as a kids or starter shotgun. for stats i would probably give it dmg 5 with AP -1 or dmg 7(f) with AP 4 with flechettes. it will still certainly kill someone. |
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Feb 21 2010, 11:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Yes, a 00 .410 load out of the Judge at fifteen feet or less will give your enemy a problem. But so will a .45 ACP slug. I've never liked the Judge. Sure, if I knew I was going to have to shoot some snakes, there's no other handgun I'd rather have than a Judge loaded with birdshot. But how often do you leave the house knowing that the only threat you're going to run into is snakes at short range? And with snakes, either you see them over there and avoid them, or you don't see them over here and you step on them. Neither scenario gives you motive and opportunity to shoot at them.
If I was going to choose a camping handgun, it would be a .44 Magnum with a 4" or 6" barrel. Better accuracy and longer range than the Judge, and it will kill anything up to the size of a horse at a 25m or less. |
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Feb 21 2010, 11:24 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Yes, a 00 .410 load out of the Judge at fifteen feet or less will give your enemy a problem. But so will a .45 ACP slug. I've never liked the Judge. Sure, if I knew I was going to have to shoot some snakes, there's no other handgun I'd rather have than a Judge loaded with birdshot. But how often do you leave the house knowing that the only threat you're going to run into is snakes at short range? And with snakes, either you see them over there and avoid them, or you don't see them over here and you step on them. Neither scenario gives you motive and opportunity to shoot at them. If I was going to choose a camping handgun, it would be a .44 Magnum with a 4" or 6" barrel. Better accuracy and longer range than the Judge, and it will kill anything up to the size of a horse at a 25m or less. The judge is more versatile if you load it with both birdshot and .45 long colt. Since it'll accept both and is a revolver, alternating ammunition types is quite doable. |
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Feb 22 2010, 04:21 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,598 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Hong Kong Member No.: 4,253 |
One of my friends used to have considerable problems with rattlesnakes in his front yard. The grass was short enough for the snakes to come out and sun in, but long enough to give the snakes some cover. So having to shoot snakes from the front porch was apparently a reasonably common occurence.
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Feb 22 2010, 12:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 212 Joined: 17-January 10 From: Sweden Member No.: 18,046 |
Also note that a pistol has a considerably shorter barrel and a long barrel is there not just for range but to give some muzzle velocity too. No way a shotgun revolver would do 6 P base (8P with flechette) without being at least as big as the super warhawk. I'd put it as 4p (6p with flechette).
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Feb 22 2010, 12:38 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,082 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
On the other hand, the cloud of half-burned propellant would cause some fancy visuals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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Feb 22 2010, 08:34 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
Have you all totally forgotten the every sammies old reliable sidearm, the Remingtom roomsweeper?
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Feb 22 2010, 09:00 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Have you all totally forgotten the every sammies old reliable sidearm, the Remingtom roomsweeper? I use a Raust Room Cleaner myself. Nothing like having an ammo capacity of "5 minutes, sustained full auto." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Wait, other game. (The gun uses a magnetic tube from a backpack to reload its internal cartridges, 5 10mm steel marbles fired per shot, full auto uses 4 shots, a heavy duty backpack can carry approximately 20,000 marbles--19863, or some weird number like that, I had to work it out by density of steel gram/cc then find the volume of a 10mm sphere). |
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Feb 22 2010, 10:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 388 Joined: 30-July 09 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 17,452 |
Also note that a pistol has a considerably shorter barrel and a long barrel is there not just for range but to give some muzzle velocity too. No way a shotgun revolver would do 6 P base (8P with flechette) without being at least as big as the super warhawk. I'd put it as 4p (6p with flechette). Heavy Pistol Eichiro Hatamoto II: Dam 7P AP -1 SS 1(m) Avail 10R 800 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) Eichiro Hatamoto II: The Hatamoto II is a single-shot defensive firearm that fires a large-bore shotgun round. This weapon is built to threaten (and eventually take down) even orks and trolls, and is recommended for good marksmen only. The gun in the original article appears to be of comparable size to this beast, but has a higher capacity. So: Taiwan Room Creaner: Dam 7P AP -1 SS 6(cy) Avail 10R 1.5k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) |
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Feb 22 2010, 10:25 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 628 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Montreal, Quebec Member No.: 17,963 |
Remington Roomsweeper !
That's a nice one ! |
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Feb 22 2010, 10:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,424 Joined: 7-December 09 From: Freedonia Member No.: 17,952 |
Shotguns as defined by US law require a stock. If it doesn't have a stock then it isn't a shotgun. Hench a shotgun pistol is not a short-barreled shotgun, legally. The BATFE calssifies such weapons as "Any Other Weapon" which is a tenuous reaching definition that twists the meaning of the National Firearms Act. But anyway i only requiress a $5 tax stamp that is extremely easy to get compared to stamps for actual short barreled shotguns. (5) The term "shotgun" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger. (6) The term "short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. doesnt really mention a stock although it does say from the shoulder. I am fairly sure it doesnt require a buttstock because of http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossberg_Gu...0/New/55340.jpg being for sale with no special license required. (B) any type of weapon (other than a shotgun or a shotgun shell which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes) by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, and which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; and |
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