 Vehicles, Drones, and Agents, For Fun and Profit |
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 Sep 15 2010, 07:10 AM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387  |
suoq, what drone are you talking about? The Manservant can run all two of his autosofts with his Pilot of 3 (and that means his Response is at least a 3 also), and Glitch is mentioned as having Modular Electronics and a R6 Response.
And if you're talking about the software suites, well those are counted as 1 program for operating room. |
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Sep 15 2010, 12:11 PM
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#127
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 14 2010, 11:39 PM)  Pilot doesn't just count as System, it *is* System. Is Agent System as well? I'm confused.<-Runs search. Oh good lord, Arsenal contradicts itself. Pg 103, it is a system, on Pg 102, it isn't. 102: "The individual Response, System, Firewall, and Signal ratings may be upgraded as normal (see p. 240, SR4). Note that Pilot rating is listed separately, and is not considered part of the Device rating." 103: "The Pilot program for a particular vehicle or drone serves as its operating system." Now to re-decipher this: "Pilot: A robotic brain program similar to the System program but including semi–autonomous decision–making abilities. Used for agents and drones.". If I'm running an agent on a commlink does that commlink need a Pilot instead of a system or is the agent the Pilot and the System. I'm lost. I think I'll go with "Agents are pilots without systems designed to run on a variety of systems" and "Pilots are agents with systems designed to run on specific hardware.". I'm just making up those quotes, but I think it's how everyone else is doing it. |
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Sep 15 2010, 12:15 PM
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#128
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,272 Joined: 22-June 10 From: Omaha. NE Member No.: 18,746 |
QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 15 2010, 01:10 AM) suoq, what drone are you talking about? The Manservant can run all two of his autosofts with his Pilot of 3 (and that means his Response is at least a 3 also), and Glitch is mentioned as having Modular Electronics and a R6 Response. And if you're talking about the software suites, well those are counted as 1 program for operating room. I was looking at the software suites (which have a lot of R4 and R6 programs) and the Manservant (not Glitch). I wasn't aware that you only intended those software suites to be used with your second drone (glitch) and not with the first one. I must have misunderstood. |
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Sep 15 2010, 03:48 PM
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#129
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's really not hard, suoq. It's confusing the way there's Pilot (vehicles) and Pilot (agents), but they're distinct. Pilot (vehicles) replaces their System (because they're nodes). Pilot (agents) is their smartness rating; agents don't have System, because they're not nodes.
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Sep 15 2010, 04:10 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (suoq @ Sep 15 2010, 07:15 AM) I was looking at the software suites (which have a lot of R4 and R6 programs) and the Manservant (not Glitch). I wasn't aware that you only intended those software suites to be used with your second drone (glitch) and not with the first one. I must have misunderstood. Not a problem. We could built the 'servant to run them, but it'd be a waste without dumping the monies into it to make sure it could actually survive. |
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Sep 15 2010, 08:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Sep 15 2010, 05:48 PM) It's really not hard, suoq. It's confusing the way there's Pilot (vehicles) and Pilot (agents), but they're distinct. Pilot (vehicles) replaces their System (because they're nodes). Pilot (agents) is their smartness rating; agents don't have System, because they're not nodes. But the Agent's Pilot rating still limits the number of programs the Agent can use and their rating, doesn't it? |
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Sep 15 2010, 08:19 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Honestly, I don't think so. I mean, an Agent's Pilot *is* its Rating, but I don't think it limits their payload. Does anyone have a rules reference?
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Sep 15 2010, 09:17 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
QUOTE (Traul @ Sep 15 2010, 09:11 PM) But the Agent's Pilot rating still limits the number of programs the Agent can use and their rating, doesn't it? Agents are limited by the system/response of the node they are in. Their "Pilot" rating just tells us how many dice they are using. |
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Sep 15 2010, 10:01 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 28-May 09 Member No.: 17,215 |
What/where is Modular Electronics? I can't find it in Arsenal or Unwired.
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Sep 16 2010, 12:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 516 Joined: 22-July 10 From: Detroit Member No.: 18,843 |
QUOTE (lowendz113 @ Sep 15 2010, 05:01 PM) What/where is Modular Electronics? I can't find it in Arsenal or Unwired. It's only found here |
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Sep 16 2010, 02:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 26-July 10 Member No.: 18,852 |
This is the same tired argument we have already seen several times on the threads.
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Sep 16 2010, 02:09 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
QUOTE (jakephillips @ Sep 15 2010, 09:08 PM) This is the same tired argument we have already seen several times on the threads. Um. Which conversation are you commenting on? There's several in this thread alone. -karma |
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Sep 16 2010, 02:21 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
QUOTE (To be included in future Arsenal errata and printings as well) MODULAR ELECTRONICS Modular Electronics allows the upgrade of a vehicle’s Signal and Response hardware above the normal +2 limit by making components modular and easy to replace. Slots: 1 Threshold: 8 Tools:Kit Cost: 1000¥ Availability: 6 Special Skill: Hardware HA. |
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