Mar 3 2010, 05:23 PM
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It seems to be a popular opinion that mages can do great things with cyber eyes. The only thing in the rules that allows cyber-eyes to be used at all is p.183 ("Physical cyber- or bio- enhancements paid for with Essence can be used to spot targets"). At least, this is the only thing I can find. If you know of a better rule, please tell me!
- - - The argument for using cyber-enhancements seems to be: 1/ Base cybereyes have Capacity; and 2/ You paid for your base cybereyes with Essence; therefore 3/ Anything you stick in the base cybereyes -- whether you pay Essence or Capacity -- is fair game. This is used to justify thermographic & low-light vision enhancements, which might be fine, but it seems that this argument works just as well for commlinks and ocular drones -- and that can't be right. - - - A simpler line of reasoning takes the rule on p.183 at face value. The test for a mage being allowed to use a cyber- or bio-enhancement for targeting would simply be: - Is it an enhancement to your senses? and - Did you pay for it with Essence? For the base cybereyes, it's obvious: - Enhancement? [✓] - Paid Essence? [✓] For vision enhancements, it's equally obvious: - Enhancement? [✓] - Paid Essence? [ ... ] You can pay Essence for thermographic & low-light vision, so you could pay for those separately, and use your excess Capacity for things that don't involve magic -- like flare compensation, smartlink, retinal duplication, etc. -- which would allow you to use your thermo + low-light for targeting magic. Just like if you'd kept your real eyes, and paid for those two enhancements with Essence. Note that my interpretation does NOT allow magical targeting through ocular drones -- they can't be paid for with Essence, only Capacity. Does yours? If so, is that desirable? Cheers, -- N |
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Nifft Cybereyes for a Mage Mar 3 2010, 05:23 PM
D2F The key word here is enhancement. The occular dron... Mar 3 2010, 05:32 PM
Nifft QUOTE (D2F @ Mar 3 2010, 12:32 PM) The ke... Mar 3 2010, 05:46 PM
D2F QUOTE (Nifft @ Mar 3 2010, 06:46 PM) Ther... Mar 3 2010, 05:57 PM
Nifft QUOTE (D2F @ Mar 3 2010, 12:57 PM) I assu... Mar 3 2010, 06:26 PM
D2F QUOTE (Nifft @ Mar 3 2010, 07:26 PM) Cybe... Mar 3 2010, 06:28 PM

Nifft QUOTE (D2F @ Mar 3 2010, 01:28 PM) It was... Mar 3 2010, 06:44 PM

D2F QUOTE (Nifft @ Mar 3 2010, 07:44 PM) I... Mar 3 2010, 06:49 PM

Draco18s QUOTE (D2F @ Mar 3 2010, 01:49 PM) occula... Mar 3 2010, 07:01 PM
Doc Byte QUOTE (Nifft @ Mar 3 2010, 07:26 PM) Cybe... Mar 3 2010, 06:48 PM
LurkerOutThere Even cyber eyes your still limited to what is in y... Mar 3 2010, 05:43 PM
Karoline The real question here is "Does paying for so... Mar 3 2010, 06:43 PM
Nifft QUOTE (Karoline @ Mar 3 2010, 01:43 PM) T... Mar 3 2010, 06:47 PM
Karoline QUOTE (Nifft @ Mar 3 2010, 01:47 PM) Well... Mar 3 2010, 06:56 PM
Nifft QUOTE (Karoline @ Mar 3 2010, 01:56 PM) M... Mar 3 2010, 07:15 PM
X-Kalibur They've already lost a point of magic from get... Mar 3 2010, 06:51 PM
D2F QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 3 2010, 07:51... Mar 3 2010, 06:59 PM
X-Kalibur OH REALLY?!?! (sorry, had to do that)
Cap... Mar 3 2010, 07:04 PM
X-Kalibur If you absolutely have to make it idiot-proof... d... Mar 3 2010, 07:20 PM
Socinus I think if you're going after different vision... Mar 3 2010, 07:35 PM
Delarn I've seen pictures of mages in shadowrun that ... Mar 3 2010, 07:36 PM
Caadium QUOTE (Delarn @ Mar 3 2010, 11:36 AM) I... Mar 3 2010, 07:51 PM
Kraegor It is my opinion, any battle mage that needs to be... Mar 3 2010, 07:44 PM
Nifft QUOTE (Delarn @ Mar 3 2010, 02:36 PM) I... Mar 3 2010, 07:54 PM
Doc Byte QUOTE (Kraegor @ Mar 3 2010, 08:44 PM) It... Mar 3 2010, 07:57 PM
Caadium Nifft, one thing to consider is the history of cyb... Mar 3 2010, 07:49 PM
Nifft QUOTE (Caadium @ Mar 3 2010, 02:49 PM) Ni... Mar 3 2010, 08:09 PM
Umidori Here's my take on things.
Your normal eyes ar... Mar 3 2010, 10:33 PM
tagz Ahh, this one again. I really wish we could dig u... Mar 4 2010, 12:43 AM
Umidori No worries. I actually agree with you on the ultra... Mar 4 2010, 12:52 AM
Karoline QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 3 2010, 07:52 PM) No... Mar 4 2010, 01:56 AM
Tanegar QUOTE (Karoline @ Mar 3 2010, 08:56 PM) Y... Mar 4 2010, 10:52 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 4 2010, 05:52 PM) On... Mar 4 2010, 10:57 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 4 2010, 03:52 PM) Ul... Mar 4 2010, 11:08 PM
Tanegar QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 06:08 PM) ... Mar 5 2010, 01:49 AM
Sponge QUOTE (Caadium @ Mar 3 2010, 02:49 PM) Fu... Mar 4 2010, 02:39 AM
Umidori It just doesn't make sense. Cybereyes work eit... Mar 4 2010, 02:49 AM
KCKitsune Guys, if you pay for cybereyes then anything that ... Mar 4 2010, 04:49 AM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 3 2010, 08:49 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 06:29 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Mar 3 2010, 09:49 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 08:11 PM
tagz And because I like to argue when I'm board...
... Mar 5 2010, 12:01 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (tagz @ Mar 4 2010, 05:01 PM) And b... Mar 5 2010, 03:44 AM
tagz QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 5 2010, 04:44 AM) ... Mar 5 2010, 04:04 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (tagz @ Mar 4 2010, 09:04 PM) Sound... Mar 5 2010, 08:42 AM
Draco18s QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 5 2010, 03:42 AM) ... Mar 5 2010, 03:33 PM
HappyDaze Just have a fiber-optic cable connect your deploye... Mar 4 2010, 11:38 AM
Draco18s QUOTE (HappyDaze @ Mar 4 2010, 06:38 AM) ... Mar 4 2010, 04:13 PM
Karoline QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 11:13 AM) S... Mar 4 2010, 04:16 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 09:13 AM) S... Mar 4 2010, 08:16 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 03:49 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 09:06 PM

Mordinvan QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 02:06 PM) S... Mar 4 2010, 11:14 PM

Draco18s QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 06:14 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 11:25 PM

Mordinvan QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 04:25 PM) A... Mar 5 2010, 03:26 AM

Draco18s QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 10:26 PM) ... Mar 5 2010, 03:44 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 09:13 AM) S... Mar 5 2010, 02:27 AM
Ascalaphus This bugs me, too. Clearly from a game balance per... Mar 4 2010, 02:35 PM
Squinky From the Faq on the SR4 site:
Can I cast a spell ... Mar 4 2010, 04:18 PM
Karoline QUOTE (Squinky @ Mar 4 2010, 11:18 AM) Pr... Mar 4 2010, 04:40 PM
Squinky You gotta latch onto something. My steps of offici... Mar 4 2010, 04:53 PM
X-Kalibur The actual text in the book for the drones states ... Mar 4 2010, 04:56 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 09:56... Mar 4 2010, 08:18 PM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 12:18 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 08:23 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 01:23... Mar 4 2010, 08:26 PM
Stahlseele QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 09:16 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 08:21 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2010, 01:21 PM)... Mar 4 2010, 08:35 PM
Draco18s QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 03:35 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 08:44 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 01:44 PM) I... Mar 4 2010, 08:49 PM
Squinky QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 4 2010, 03:44 PM) I... Mar 4 2010, 09:42 PM
Stahlseele Ok, In universe science fiction says that magic ca... Mar 4 2010, 08:40 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2010, 01:40 PM)... Mar 5 2010, 04:32 AM
Stahlseele You won't accept the fact that IT'S MAGIC ... Mar 4 2010, 08:59 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 4 2010, 01:59 PM)... Mar 4 2010, 10:59 PM
X-Kalibur Do you know any creatures that visually see in rad... Mar 4 2010, 09:55 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 02:55... Mar 4 2010, 11:02 PM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 03:02 PM) ... Mar 4 2010, 11:21 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 04:21... Mar 4 2010, 11:29 PM
Umidori Magic can make as little sense as possible, but it... Mar 4 2010, 10:04 PM
X-Kalibur Except that zombies aren't dead, they are unde... Mar 4 2010, 10:06 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 03:06... Mar 4 2010, 11:04 PM
X-Kalibur Still not a property of their eyes. When we start ... Mar 4 2010, 11:41 PM
Mordinvan QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 04:41... Mar 4 2010, 11:49 PM
Doc Byte QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Mar 4 2010, 11:06... Mar 5 2010, 12:08 AM
AngelisStorm QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 05:59 PM) ... Mar 5 2010, 01:28 AM
HappyDaze And that image is meaningless until it is processe... Mar 5 2010, 02:01 AM
Tanegar Retinae serve only to convert a natural image into... Mar 5 2010, 02:13 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 4 2010, 07:13 PM) Re... Mar 5 2010, 03:56 AM
Tanegar QUOTE (Mordinvan @ Mar 4 2010, 10:56 PM) ... Mar 5 2010, 04:12 AM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 4 2010, 11:12 PM) No... Mar 5 2010, 06:57 AM

AngelisStorm QUOTE ...as the image created by cyber eyes is dig... Mar 5 2010, 07:11 AM

Mordinvan QUOTE (AngelisStorm @ Mar 5 2010, 12:11 A... Mar 5 2010, 09:07 AM
Mordinvan QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 4 2010, 09:12 PM) No... Mar 5 2010, 09:10 AM
MJBurrage The simple fact is that the spectrum of the EM ban... Mar 5 2010, 04:08 AM
Adarael Oh shit, let me go get my whip! I LOVE dead ho... Mar 5 2010, 07:47 AM
KCKitsune @Mordinvan, please just stop it. You're not g... Mar 5 2010, 03:54 PM
wanderer_king HMMM....
I would like to point out that it says E... Mar 5 2010, 07:16 PM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (wanderer_king @ Mar 5 2010, 11:16 ... Mar 5 2010, 07:24 PM
wanderer_king Where does it? I have seen nothing that says cyber... Mar 5 2010, 07:28 PM
X-Kalibur QUOTE (wanderer_king @ Mar 5 2010, 11:28 ... Mar 5 2010, 07:35 PM
Sponge QUOTE (wanderer_king @ Mar 5 2010, 02:28 ... Mar 5 2010, 07:55 PM
Draco18s Also that whole "paid with essence" thin... Mar 5 2010, 07:37 PM![]() ![]() |
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