![]() ![]() |
Feb 11 2004, 11:37 PM
Post
#1
|
|
|
Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 10-February 04 Member No.: 6,066 |
Hiya...
Quick question...how do you run your groups fixers? Do they get a cut of profits of a run, or does the Johnson pay them directly? Or is it both? I've also saw "Mr. Johnson's Little Black Book" listed on some rpg store sites, but no one seems to have them. Has this been released? Has anyone seen this? I'm really, really new to SR, having never played it before, and finding myself running it. Can you all provide some do's/dont's, insights, etc to setting up campaigns and such? Any bit o' wisdom you can offer on Fixers, etc. would be greatly appreciated. R-W-S |
|
|
|
Feb 11 2004, 11:58 PM
Post
#2
|
|
|
Traumatizing players since 1992 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
A fixer has nothing to do with a groups runs directly IMHO. A Johnson hires the PC's not the fixer. Technically according to sr3 a fixer is a contact that specializes in getting fake ID's, although he can get other information and equipment as well, for a price.
|
|
|
|
Feb 11 2004, 11:58 PM
Post
#3
|
|
|
Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
I've always run it such that fixers get a sort of finder's fee from Mr. Johnson. Fixers get money from runners through contact upkeep, adding a bit to the cost of goods/information they gather for the runners, and taking a cut of the profit from anything the runners want to fence.
Edit: BitBasher, check out page 257, SR3 "When a corporate Johnson needs runners to steal a rival corp's latest invention or poach away a top research scientist, nine times out of ten he goes to the fixer." That, combined with the fluff text from a good number of published runs, indicates pretty clearly that fixers *are* often directly involved in getting jobs for runners. |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 01:10 AM
Post
#4
|
|
|
Avatar of Mediocrity ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
And a lot of adventures talk about successful fixers setting up their own runs - johnson tells fixer what he wants done, fixer hires runners, pays them, and keeps whatever money's left over.
|
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 01:16 AM
Post
#5
|
|
|
King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Fixers get you what you want. Some of them are Jacks of all trades whilst others specialise in certain areas, sometimes in people. They're basically a connection service as far as I see them. The fixer keeps in contact with a large cross-selection of runners and teams so when a Johnson comes to them saying I need some people for doing X or with skill-sets Y and Z, they give the runners a call and pass on the Johnson's contact details. Or if the fixer wants more personal security, then they simply pass the details/offer on to the fixer and he deals with the runners in the Johnson's place without them ever meeting.
Some fixers simply take a small introduction fee to set up the meet, and it's in their interests to pair up the right people 'cause if runners keep passing on runs then they get a bad reputation. If the Johnson is the shy type and has the fixer deal with the runners, then they obviously take a higher fee and/or possibly even a slice of the fee. But of course in that case, the runners would never know if the fixer was skimming off the top of the payment so that's where trust comes in. :) |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 01:17 AM
Post
#6
|
|
|
Canon Companion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Sometimes I use the fixer as a cut-out and safety net for the runners. He double checks the Johnson's credentials and make sure it isn't a suicide run, etc. If the Johnson goes straight to a runner or a runner team, it is because he knows the team well. Kinda like you requesting a certain doctor, instead of just any doc. In such a case, the runners would be cautious about working for him, especially if it is a new Johnson they don't know about.
|
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 01:28 AM
Post
#7
|
|
|
King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Giving a Johnson you've worked with before secure contact information like a 2060's equivalent of a Hotmail e-mail account or a pager number could be doable. Of course this cuts the fixer out of the deal and loses him a commission. This means he could react in a number of ways.
You get on well with your fixer, and they're fairly successful with a large business then I can't see them minding such a small fee. Smaller ones, or ones with the Vindictive flaw though... I could see a small-time fixer that fairly new-ish runners could be using getting bent out of shape over them 'taking' his money as he might see it. |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 01:28 AM
Post
#8
|
|||
|
Beetle Eater ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Mr. Johnson's Little Black Book is "Upcoming" following Shadows of Europe. So we'll see it next year some time :rotfl:
Emphsis mine. |
||
|
|
|||
Feb 12 2004, 01:56 AM
Post
#9
|
|
|
King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Of course, not everyone is the same or operates in a likewise manner.
|
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 05:24 AM
Post
#10
|
|
|
Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Hotmail isn't that anonymous -- given enough incentive and motivation, someone could track down the IP accessing that account and track down the real-time location.
-Siege |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 05:55 AM
Post
#11
|
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 313 Joined: 26-February 02 From: UCAS Member No.: 1,015 |
I've played with many GMs over the years and in my experience that blurb's description is the exception rather than the rule. The theory seems to be that Johnsons work through fixers to find runners because they don't have the contacts themselves. Usually Johnsons are portrayed as non-streetwise wage slaves who just want to get the meet over with as soon as possible "before one of these psychos starts shooting".
It has occurred to me that Johnsons might almost be as expendible as runners. If a link is somehow made back to a J the corp can just claim that they never authorized his actions and sentence him to twenty years in the electric chair. Sure it's pretty weak, but as long as you've picked the right idiot for the job and been careful about your (and his) record keeping you'll probably scrape by. |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 01:44 PM
Post
#12
|
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 12-September 03 Member No.: 5,613 |
I have always played that jobs come from anywhere and everywhere.
Sometimes a johnson contacts the group directly, but normally only if someone has him as a contact. Sometimes it is a fixer. Sometimes it is anonomous email. Keep people on their toes. Though the occational Johnson comes along that develops a good working relationship with the runners that is the exception not the rule. |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 02:19 PM
Post
#13
|
|
|
Canon Companion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
My players never accepts jobs from anonymous Johnsons. The only Johnsons they work for are the ones they know where they live, where their families stay, where their children go to school. The fixer they accept jobs from make sure that any attempt to double cross the PCs are dealt harshly. The organisation in question is usually persona non grata for long enough for their stocks to drop a few percentage points.
|
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 02:38 PM
Post
#14
|
|
|
Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 22-January 04 Member No.: 6,002 |
Our GM sets up almost everything through a Fixer, and he gets 10% of the base run price. We do not deal with Corp Johnsons we don't know, and since Only our Face has any Corp Contacts, that limits us. Our Fixer is Lvl 2, so we trust him pretty well, so it's pretty great. He does all the legwork, and we do all the HARD work. We prefer to remain anonymous, and we prefer the Johnson AND corp hiring to remain anonymous, that way there are less strings, and less chance of getting caught. Even the runs we have taken off Shadowland are set up through our Fixer...
|
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 02:55 PM
Post
#15
|
|||
|
King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Quite likely. Which is why you make simple throwaway accounts that you simply check from a telecom unit somewhere very quickly and then hang up and move on before they can get a full trace. |
||
|
|
|||
Feb 12 2004, 03:43 PM
Post
#16
|
|
|
Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Ah, in SR terms you mean.
Well yes -- between public libraries, internet cafes, tapping datalines for decker hookups and outright home invasions to use internet connections, there are always ways around the traceback feature. My crew used to break into a restaraunt chain to do online business and have munchies. -Siege |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 03:52 PM
Post
#17
|
|
|
King of the Hobos ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
In places like Hong Kong it's even easier. Local telephone calls are free and a lot of stores/restaurant will let you use theirs. For quick audio only calls it's not even worth bothering trying to trace them. :)
|
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 03:57 PM
Post
#18
|
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 184 Joined: 1-January 04 Member No.: 5,948 |
The impression that I always had back from 1st edition is that a Johnson is anyone who is hiring a runner team. That Johnson is just sort of a slang name that has come into use over time. In reality they could be Fixers, Sarariemen, Made Men, Gangers, or even just Pedestrians. If you need a job done and you're hiring runners, you are a Johnson, no matter who you are in "real life".
Fixers are used for hooking people up with things or other people. If Johnson needs to higher some deniable assets and does not know where to find some he or she would go to a Fixer. Johnson can also do the research themselves and contact Runners on their own. |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 04:04 PM
Post
#19
|
|
|
Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Johnsons have typically been portrayed as the Corporate liason between megacorp and street/criminal activities. The "big dick" as it were.
I would imagine former Johnsons for various mega-corps might even go freelance, representing various clients outside of a megacorp structure. From a strictly analytical point of view, a Johnson could be considered a corporate-level fixer. (S)he knows who to talk to to get this good or that service from the gleaming halls and cubicle lands of Megacorpia. -Siege |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 04:25 PM
Post
#20
|
|
|
Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 12-September 03 Member No.: 5,613 |
For all those teams out there that only use an exclusive fixer or Johnson. How does it feel to be another cog? Albeit an invisible cog.
Diversify or die. when your one and only gets burned so do you. Just a differing outlook I guess. |
|
|
|
Feb 12 2004, 04:41 PM
Post
#21
|
|||||
|
Traumatizing players since 1992 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,282 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 220 |
Wow, in my game that's not even an option. Working with a johnson you are familiar with is a huge liability for the corps and they will simply not hire you under those circumstances. The johnson has to have an unknon element for the corp to maintain some sense of security, so you cannot recriprocate against the johnson nearly as easily. If you made demands like those listed abov then there's no way in hell you would pay the rent, bcause you simply wouldn't get jobs that often. Furthermore sometimes the job requires you to be put in a potentially lethal line of fire, and you accept that. Why would that johnson ever deal with you under those circumstances? That's a very poor deal for him.
Also, if you work with the same company johnsons every day that makes you... <dum dum DUM!> A company man. not an independant SR. |
||||
|
|
|||||
Feb 12 2004, 04:44 PM
Post
#22
|
|||
|
Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Personal commentary, eh Bit? :grinbig: -Siege |
||
|
|
|||
Feb 13 2004, 12:42 AM
Post
#23
|
|||||||
|
Canon Companion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Actually, my PCs work for the same set of Johnsons or their fixer. Meaning, if they work for Ares, Draco or SK "directly" :| , they go through those Johnsons or their fixer. Otherwise, nobody even hears of them. The shadows may know that Mr Fixer-so-and-so has a drek hot team but they won't know who (5+ successes to find out even the which fixer they work for, another 5+ each to dig up the skinny on them). Good talent but very exclusive. Furthermore, they picked AAAs that usually do not or need to disgiuse their Johnsons' point of origin, Ares(Ares, Corp Download) and SK(Mr Brackhaus, Ragnarok), DF(Dragonheart series as well as flavour fiction from Rigger). Otherwise, their fixer screens the potential employers thoroughly. |
||||||
|
|
|||||||
![]() ![]() |
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 5th December 2025 - 03:39 PM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.