Hurting Spirits, as a non-mage Options

[Wuerfelwerfer]

So the title says it all. How can a streetsam put the hurt down on manifested spirits? I know that if I do enough damage, his immunity to normal weapons will give out. But are any tricks to avoid said immunity completely? Orichalcum weapons? Magic Weapons? Pointy sticks?

[The Jopp]

Stick-N-Shock
Capsule Rounds with Chemicals
Flare Rounds
Flamethrowers
Melee Shock Weapons
Ex-Explosive Rounds (They DO explode – would that count as elemental effect)

[AngelisStorm]

Tons of excellent past threads on exactly this subject.

Maybe a nice Dumpshocker will link some of them (however I'm horrible at the search function).

For my 2Y:

Ruger Warhawks w/ AP rounds
Sniper Rifles w/ AP rounds

Gauss rifles
Magic compounds

[Kliko]

Stun batons?

Have an elven sammie with high willower and charisma fight with a weapon with some reach.

[Sengir]

SM introduces "attacks of will", you roll Willpower to make a melee attack vs. the spirit with physical base dmg=Charisma and no reach modifiers. In other words, long pointy sticks are actually not the worst idea. They don't actually need to be pointy and long, but mugging a spirit with a piece of picket fence just sounds better than trying to poke it with a toothpick.

[DireRadiant]

Call them names. Get it right, and they will be yours forever.

[Orcus Blackweath...]

flechette works well too. While it adds to their armor, it only does so after the comparison with resistance to normal weapons. So a mossberg CMDT is 9p with two net hits will tag a force 5 spirit. Bigger spirits just need more love, add two hits per force.

[Sengir]

Call them names. Get it right, and they will be yours forever.

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I would recommend against a brute force approach, though. Not just due to time contraints, but also because you will probably be surrounded by an army of ill-tempered free spririts before you finally get the correct name. And unless you can bind all of those, you are in for some serious extraplanar anal traction.

[Wesley Street]

Here, here and here.

[Stahlseele]

I still say Laser and Sonic Weapons should get elemental Effect.

[KarmaInferno]

Really Big Explosions.




-karma

[The Jopp]

I still say Laser and Sonic Weapons should get elemental Effect.

Dont they have that?

Laser (the spell) have "light" damage and i find it somewhat natural that a laser "beam" should have the same thing.

Sonic weapon: Soundwave, ditto Sound elemental effect

If those are not elemental effects i dont know what is.

[Stahlseele]

Neither those nor the Flame-Thrower get an elemental Effect. Ditto water-cannons.
No, slinging Rocks does not have the earth elemental effect either. Nor does flechette get the Metal elemental effect.
No, your burning Stick does not have fire/wood elemental effect.
Only magical stuff gets an elemental effect.

[Umidori]

Call them names. Get it right, and they will be yours forever.

There is no Nirwanda. There is only Laughlyn.

~Umidori

[Patrick the Gnom...]

Chemicals and EX weapons don't penetrate ITNW and Stick n Shock and lasers only do because they penetrate at -1/2 AP. Checmicals don't affect spirits because they have no skin, lungs, digestive system or blood stream and therefore can't be affected by contact, air, ingestion, or injection vector toxins. Basically, all street sams should walk around carrying a clip of Stick n Shock rounds, or if they're melee fighters, shock gloves or a stun baton.

[Emy]

Chemicals and EX weapons don't penetrate ITNW and Stick n Shock and lasers only do because they penetrate at -1/2 AP. Checmicals don't affect spirits because they have no skin, lungs, digestive system or blood stream and therefore can't be affected by contact, air, ingestion, or injection vector toxins. Basically, all street sams should walk around carrying a clip of Stick n Shock rounds, or if they're melee fighters, shock gloves or a stun baton.

Honestly, everyone should carry around a clip of Stick-n-Shocks. No exceptions.

[Jaid]

Honestly, everyone should carry around a clip of Stick-n-Shocks. No exceptions.

what about troll throwing adepts who can just hurl tasers at their opponents? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Umidori]

When you say tasers, do you mean telephone poles? Because that's more in line with troll throwing adepts.

~Umidori

[Professor Evil O...]

There is no Nirwanda. There is only Laughlyn.

~Umidori

Well, at least that spirit had a name somebody could actually pronounce...Most true names sound like something a wookie would say.

[Blade]

Well, at least that spirit had a name somebody could actually pronounce...Most true names sound like something a wookie would say.

Good for them. I pity the spirit whose true name is a common word.

Anyway, what I'm wondering is if it's possible to avoid combat with spirits by talking/negociating with them. Can the pornomancer convince a spirit that it didn't understand his order correctly?

[Stahlseele]

Well, someone would STILL have to conduct a summoning/binding ritual with the common word.
"I summon thee Footstool! Heed my words, do my biddings!" Who would ever think of something like that? O.o
And why would the pornomancer do this anyway? Only if it is a free spirit or he got the spirit to not like him and follow his wishes TO THE LETTER not to the evil in tent.

[Wuerfelwerfer]

Okay, thanks for the replies guys!

[The Jopp]

Neither those nor the Flame-Thrower get an elemental Effect. Ditto water-cannons.
No, slinging Rocks does not have the earth elemental effect either. Nor does flechette get the Metal elemental effect.
No, your burning Stick does not have fire/wood elemental effect.
Only magical stuff gets an elemental effect.

I disagree.

There is nothing in the rules that adamantly says that elemental effects ONLY applies to magic. Elemental effects are more a description of WHAT could constitute a elemental effect.

By your ruling using a fire hydrant to drench a fire elemental with water would NOT be an elemental effect.

Flame-Thrower = Fire = Elemental Effect Fire
Water Cannon = Water = Elemental Effect Water
Throwing A Rock = Kinetic Force = No elemental effect
Using a Sand Blaster = High Force Sand Blasting = Sand
Burning wood torch = Wood / Fire = Fire or Wood (latter against vampire)

It gets a bit sketchy if one would go through all items to see what is an elemental effect but mundane regular weapons (including bombs and grenade launchers) does not give an elemental bonus.

Special weapons like flame throwers, water cannons and lasers should have such an effect.

[nezumi]

If memory serves - reach modifiers apply to Tests of Charisma (or whatever it's called). Ergo, even a Charisma: 1 street sam can move a force 10 Earth Elemental with a long enough lever... err... weapon. There's no requirement that the weapon have any actual damage code of its own, either. So a fishing line with a weight at the end is the classic answer.

[Kliko]

If memory serves - reach modifiers apply to Tests of Charisma (or whatever it's called). Ergo, even a Charisma: 1 street sam can move a force 10 Earth Elemental with a long enough lever... err... weapon. There's no requirement that the weapon have any actual damage code of its own, either. So a fishing line with a weight at the end is the classic answer.

At least they did in sr3.