 Statement from CGL regarding financial situation, Addressing the rumors |
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 Mar 20 2010, 04:47 AM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935  |
QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 20 2010, 02:03 AM)  And do we have a running total of which freelancers have given serious consideration to never working with CGL again? Seems to be a few of them and other than Adam's ever-stirling work, most the Shadowrun material has come from freelancers, has it not? K. All writing for Shadowrun is done on a freelance basis. Jennifer Harding, for example, was also a freelancer on current and forthcoming books like Vice, Corp Guide and The Sixth World Almanac. Several freelancers of long-standing have expressed their displeasure at the news of CGL's financial mismanagement, particularly in regards to its direct impact on them (i.e. the chronic delays in payment) and CGL's ability to maintain the line in the future. I can't speak for any of them as regards to whether they will ever work for CGL ever again, but right now lots of people are holding out just to see CGL hold up their end of the contracts. |
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Mar 20 2010, 01:54 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
What about you AH?
Where do you stand in all of this? |
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Mar 20 2010, 02:15 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Unhappy. I don't care for this situation or CGL's handling of it, and some of the most vocal freelancers who have left or stated their intentions to withdraw from their contracts are my friends. There are a couple details of my own situation which make it harder for me to just pack up and leave; right now I'm continuing with my current contracts while waiting for CGL to either resolve the situation (by holding up its end of the freelancer contracts) or implode (when/if they lose the license).
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Mar 20 2010, 02:16 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Well, good luck to you too then.
I hope this plays out OK for all of you. |
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Mar 20 2010, 05:36 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,148 Joined: 27-February 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 8,314 |
QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 19 2010, 08:03 PM) And do we have a running total of which freelancers have given serious consideration to never working with CGL again? Seems to be a few of them and other than Adam's ever-stirling work, most the Shadowrun material has come from freelancers, has it not? Professionals don't kiss and tell. Unless we get burned. |
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Mar 20 2010, 06:45 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (knasser @ Mar 20 2010, 02:03 AM) And do we have a running total of which freelancers have given serious consideration to never working with CGL again? Seems to be a few of them and other than Adam's ever-stirling work, most the Shadowrun material has come from freelancers, has it not? K. Take a look into the other thread Khadim. All who have rank and name and have quit are in there i think. |
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Mar 20 2010, 08:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 12-May 05 Member No.: 7,392 |
Okay, management has issued another statement to address some books being pulled (which was originally reported by ICV2.com, which explains the header of the statement. The statement in its entirety follows.
>>> In Response To ICV2.com’s News Item, 03/19/2010 09:34pm ICV2 is a great website that rapidly compiles information across the width and breadth of the gaming industry, as it occurs, and tries to provide a single source for all such news. However, there recent report contained some factual inaccuracies. First, there has been no halt to sales of any CthulhuTech products. We’re are in negotiations with our friends at WildFire for how best to move forward, ensuring this great book line continues to grow. As such, neither Catalyst Game Labs, nor WildFire, have put a stop to any books from being sold. Second, the stoppage of a small, select list of Shadowrun books has nothing to do with the license for Shadowrun, which Catalyst still holds. Instead, the halt to sales is due to on going negotiations between Catalyst and its freelancers. We’re moving quickly and thoroughly to resolve this situation to mutual satisfaction, so the community can have access to these great Shadowrun books in short order once more. >>> As has been my wont, I'll continue hanging around to answer what questions I can. Jason H. |
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Mar 20 2010, 11:50 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Good to know. I posted this in the other thread too.
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Mar 21 2010, 02:36 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,604 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
QUOTE (JM Hardy @ Mar 20 2010, 09:38 PM) As has been my wont, I'll continue hanging around to answer what questions I can. Thanks for that! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It's quite reassuring to see that you are confident in moving forward and getting things to run stable again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Bye Thanee |
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Mar 24 2010, 03:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 17-September 06 From: Utah USA Member No.: 9,402 |
Wow, this sucks. When I heard the news I said to myself "If Adam and Jen are gone then CGL & Shadowrun can kiss my ass." And here we are.
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Mar 24 2010, 04:17 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
I've said this to a couple fans privately -- the last week has been a nice one for fan mail -- but for the love of, well, Shadowrun: don't stop loving the damned game/universe on account of me no longer working on it!
I still love it, after all. |
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Mar 24 2010, 05:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 992 Joined: 2-August 06 Member No.: 9,006 |
QUOTE (Adam @ Mar 23 2010, 11:17 PM) I've said this to a couple fans privately -- the last week has been a nice one for fan mail -- but for the love of, well, Shadowrun: don't stop loving the damned game/universe on account of me no longer working on it! I still love it, after all. You know...Shadowrun has been around since before Adam did layout on it. Since Jennifer Harding was a writer, and since before the current crop of freelancers and artists. Really, what is the big deal? People quit for various reasons all the time, and it does not really change the game(much). |
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Mar 24 2010, 05:13 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,532 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Calgary, Canada Member No.: 769 |
QUOTE (Cardul @ Mar 23 2010, 11:10 PM) You know...Shadowrun has been around since before Adam did layout on it. Since Jennifer Harding was a writer, and since before the current crop of freelancers and artists. Really, what is the big deal? People quit for various reasons all the time, and it does not really change the game(much). Yeah, this... as long as I have players who are willing to pretend to be an elf who shoots people in the face for money I'll keep playing Shadowrun. As long as someone continues to publish books that I find useful in said endeavor then I'll be happy. |
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Mar 24 2010, 05:15 AM
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50 |
I likely should have stepped in earlier, but...
Hey guys. Can we keep this thread clear for announcements and the like. General discussion is down a few threads, in the "CGL Discussion Thread, Part 2". Thanks. Bull |
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Mar 28 2010, 09:28 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: 20-March 10 From: Around the Ley Lines on the 'moors. Great Britain. Member No.: 18,323 |
Er thats up to Part3 now Bull.
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Apr 6 2010, 03:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 21-July 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 7,508 |
From CthulhuTech's official press release, which had been printing with Catalyst:
QUOTE The Next Phase of WildFire, Pt. I
5-April-10 As of 3:21 pm today, Catalyst Game Labs transferred ownership of all remaining CthulhuTech and Poo inventory to WildFire, the legal copyright holder of both properties. As of January 3rd, 2010, WildFire terminated any and all business relations with Catalyst Game Labs, due primarily to non-payment of royalties, in addition to other contractual breaches. Since that time, WildFire has been trying to work with Catalyst for that company to pay WildFire the remaining royalties owed. Things have progressed very slowly. In order to relieve a portion of that debt all at once, the best solution for Catalyst Game Labs was to transfer ownership of WildFire inventory to that company. More changes are expected within the week, and more information will be released as they happen. |
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Apr 6 2010, 03:31 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
1) WildFire holds the rights to CthulhuTech like Wizkids holds the rights to Shadowrun? i.e. - charge for the license, but don't produce anything of their own?
2) Why was Catalyst trying to sell poo? That sounds unsanitary. (And why does WildFire want it back?) |
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Apr 6 2010, 05:22 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: 20-March 10 From: Around the Ley Lines on the 'moors. Great Britain. Member No.: 18,323 |
That doesn't sound good for CGL.
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Apr 6 2010, 06:39 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (nezumi @ Apr 6 2010, 11:31 AM) 1) WildFire holds the rights to CthulhuTech like Wizkids holds the rights to Shadowrun? i.e. - charge for the license, but don't produce anything of their own? Yes, CT and Poo were produced under license from WildFire, just like Eclipse Phase was produced under license from Posthuman Studios. |
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Apr 6 2010, 06:53 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: 20-March 10 From: Around the Ley Lines on the 'moors. Great Britain. Member No.: 18,323 |
QUOTE (Adam @ Apr 6 2010, 07:39 PM) Yes, CT and Poo were produced under license from WildFire, just like Eclipse Phase was produced under license from Posthuman Studios. Do we have any imformation on if Posthuman have been paid? |
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Apr 6 2010, 06:55 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Does not look like it.
Posthuman has quit business relations with IMR because of payment issues. |
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Apr 6 2010, 07:04 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
I really don't know what poo is. (Well, I do, but I don't think we're talking about the same thing here.)
Do we know how much the cost of the Cthulhutech/poo license was compared to the Shadowrun/Battletech license? Does the loss of one portend the loss of the other? |
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Apr 6 2010, 07:05 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 6 2010, 02:55 PM) Posthuman has quit business relations with IMR because of payment issues. Stahlseele, please don't speak for Posthuman Studios. Posthuman is in the process of severing their arrangement with Catalyst. |
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Apr 6 2010, 07:06 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
QUOTE (nezumi @ Apr 6 2010, 03:04 PM) I really don't know what poo is. (Well, I do, but I don't think we're talking about the same thing here.) It's a card game by WildFire, about monkeys flinging Poo at each other. Last monkey that isn't covered wins! |
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Apr 6 2010, 07:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 595 Joined: 12-May 05 Member No.: 7,392 |
QUOTE (nezumi @ Apr 6 2010, 02:04 PM) I really don't know what poo is. (Well, I do, but I don't think we're talking about the same thing here.) Do we know how much the cost of the Cthulhutech/poo license was compared to the Shadowrun/Battletech license? Does the loss of one portend the loss of the other? These are different issues. CthlhuTech is the intellectual property of WildFire; Catalyst acted as publisher to them. It is not a licensing agreement in the same way that SR and BT are licensed from Topps. Jason H. |
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