PAoNA, I gots it Options

[moosegod]

I got the book and developed an issue. THE DAMAGE CODES ARE WHACK!

Could someone explain to me what 3M2 (etc.) mean? I think it's First Edition, but I don't know.

Second, should I count the Juggernaut as a vehicle for the purposes of resistence? :vegm:

[BitBasher]

Rule of thumb for converting damage codes: add the 2 numbers together and leave the letter.

3m2 becomes 5m
4m3 becomes 7m

so on and so forth...

[ShadowPhoenix]

the damage codes I think are from 2nd ed, which had a different way to stage damage depending on the weapon used. a 3m2 would mean that it's base damage was (3M) however it takes (2) successes to stage the damage to S and then another (2) to stage to Deadly. this is what we pretty much already use in 3rd ed for staging, but some weapons I believe were like 7M3 which would require 3 successes to stage up.

[Grey]

Actually, they are from 1st ed.

[Siege]

The Juggernaught should be considered PC detrimental and left well enough alone.

-Siege

[fourstring_samur...]

A-fragging-men!

[Lilt]

You could always just do what I did once: Make a super-sized Juggernaught using the rules in the critters book (+50% size, +5 to one or more attributes) and give those +5es to Body, Armor, and Quickness.

Sadly the group never found it, they did earmark the swamp it was in as a possible exit route if things went to drek though... I can but dream.

[BitBasher]

The frightening thing about a juggernaut is theyre anerobic. IIRC They can live with out oxygen. theoretically IIRC you could launch one to the moon and it could live there rest of it's life there without a problem. It can actually eat rocks to survive. :D

[Dogsoup]

Mwuahaha! Eventually, it would consume the moon and replace it in orbit; Gobbling up reckless space vessels that got too close.

[Lilt]

So that's what took-out the novatech probe. Remind me to send these things agains my runners if they ever get to the orbital bank.

Me: "You open the airlock, and come face-to face with a juggernaught! Roll Reaction!"

[moosegod]

Super-sized Juggernaut=fun!

"Now, group, either you face a Juggernaut with 47 Strength, or bake me cookies. Kitchen is open."

[Siege]

Hah! They're growing Juggernaught THOR shots! :grinbig:

Incoming Awakened Cow!

-Siege

[Lilt]

Hmm. I wonder what would happen if you gave a juggernaught a retractable cyber-railgun? Powered by bio-energy obviously. :D

[edit]It's got enough strength to carry a light railgun and 30 shots of ammo :eek: [/edit]

[Hecatonchires]

PAoNA is a first edition sourcebook. Speaking of which I just got a new(er) copy of the first edition hardcover. Looking over some of the old rules makes me wonder how anyone ever found the time to play this game. Oh, and the old rating system worked like this. 4m3 meant that it took 3 sucesses over 4 to accomplish whatever (downstage damage ect...). Get it?

Juggernauts were the most rediculous para-animal ever put in the game. Damn near un-killable, hence the nice federal bounty. I don't think the writers really considered the ramifications of making something able to switch between anaerobic and aerobic metabolism.

[Siege]

Heh. It was the critter that GMs got upset with when their PCs took a look, screamed like school girls and ran in the other direction.

You could always figure out the most upopular party member by who got shot in the leg and left as a Juggernaught speed bump. :grinbig:

-Siege

[Hecatonchires]

Yar. That and the players always seem to get strangely pissed when their mode of transport got eaten. You really shouldn't leave a tricked out Ares Dragon un-attended in Juggernaut territory.

[Kagetenshi]

Mmm, light snack.

~J

[spotlite]

I suspect the anaerobic thing is so nasty GMs can have them happily submerged out of sight ready to jump out at the insignificant boat invading their own personal pond...

PAoNA and PAoE are both 1st ed sourcebooks. But I recommend if you see either of them you pick them up. They are much better books in terms of available in game detail, pictures, scales, everything. We use them as IC reference books available for purchase. Often is the cry heard 'pass me Pattersons, will ya?' when a character wants to look something up and they have either the background skill or a chip copy I-C, because professor patterson is supposedly the leading expert who gathered all the data which makes up the books. The decker comments tend to indicate he's not as good or accurate as he thinks he is, which gives the GM leeway in tweaking powers and stats to keep players on their toes.

Great books, even if the game stats require a bit of conversion. Basically the stats and powers part of the books in our game are considered non-existant (stats - which realistically don't exist in-game anyway so the characters couldn't look them up in the first place) or superceded in the Critters book (powers), but the pictures, habitat, habits, and ecology sections are all reasonably accurate, though in many cases not 100% or covering all variations of the creature and its behaviour.

IMHO, if you want to make use of critters well in your game, you need all three books - the 1st PA books and the 3rd ed Critters booklet which comes with the GM screen. The 3rd ed book really only contains the briefest of summaries in comparison.

[k1tsune]

So how would one convert the Juggernaut to 3rd ed. terms?

[mfb]

there should be a stat difference between anerobic and aerobic (i don't recall if there was a diff in PAoNA; if there was, please disregard). i'd lower Qui and Str by 4-5 each, and nix its ability to run at all.

[Hecatonchires]

Umm... For a Juggernaut it should just be assumed that it can eat anything and cannot possibly be killed by anything less than an orbital strike or a heavy naval scale weapon. Basically they are miniature forces of nature dedicated to consumption. Best used as an impersonal motivational force for a run or two set in the wilderness. However, if anyone else wants to take a crack at stating it here on the board, props in advance.

[Kanada Ten]

Does Mind Control work on critters?

[moosegod]

I don't think so.

And I hope not.

[mfb]

i wouldn't go that far, hundred-arms. after all, where's the fun in trying to collect the bounty on them, if you just make them superhuman NPCs?

[Hecatonchires]

I didn't say that they couldn't be killed, just that it's extremely unlikely. I guess you could just make a really big ass bomb and then try to get the damn thing to eat it. I would think that 25 kg of c12 would be enough to take the things head off. Other than that, look at the stats man and see if you can figure a way to kill it.